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1 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230158 | ||
Salvation depends on this: John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. Believing in a pre-defined Orthodox definition of what God is ie: Trinity is not required. The bible speaks of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We must believe in those three, but not that the Holy Spirit is a "person" nor that all are equal. Stick with the bible, ignore traditions of man. |
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2 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Searcher56 | 230165 | ||
ewq1938, Are you saying the Holy Spirit is not a person? Is God the Father a person? If so, prove it. Searcher |
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3 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230172 | ||
The Holy Spirit is a spirit, not a person. In fact, the Holy Spirit is a spirit OF a person. Have you not read this? Mar_13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. Those delivered up at this time will not be speaking themselves for it shall be the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) which speaks through them. In another Gospel we are told more information: Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. The Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of your Father". All people (persons) have a spirit within them. Shall I consider my own spirit a separate person from myself? Of course not so why should we consider the Spirit of the Father a separate person? Considering et Holy Spirit a separate person was never taught by anyone in the bible nor the early church. It was inserted by others later and made official but it is not scriptural. I believe in the original concept of "Trinity" which is a word that means "three". Trinity means "three" and is a term to describe how God interacts with Man as in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Those three is what the "Trinity" term refers to. Those three are found in many places together as well as separately in scripture. Here are some: Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway outof the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he sawthe Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my belovedSon, in whom I am well pleased. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: |
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4 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230176 | ||
ewq, I would then ask you to explain these verses. You rightly quote that the Spirit is the Spirit of the Father, but scripture also affirms that the Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. Rom 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. And yet Christ himself says that the Spirit is somebody OTHER than himself! Joh 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; Joh 14:17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. So we have scripture affirming that the Spirit is both the spirit of Christ, and yet OTHER than Christ. How then can you say that the teaching that the Holy Spirit is seperate is "never taught by anyone in the bible nor the early church. It was inserted by others later and made official but it is not scriptural." It is scripture that affirms it! The Spirit is Christ's Spirit, it is the Father's Spirit, and yet He is distinct from both of them though no man can comprehend this glorious puzzle! Scripture affirms precisely and almost word for word what you deny and claim to be the invention of man! And what then? If it is in scripture what then of your objections? They evaporate. And you are left with the options of putting yourself under the word, or over it. In Christ, Beja |
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5 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230179 | ||
Christ received the Holy Spirit from the Father. It's origin is the Father. Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Never does Christ state the Holy Spirit is a different "person". The Holy Spirit is a SPIRIT of a person. Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. The Spirit of Him (the Father) raised Jesus from the dead. Elsewhere the Father himself is given that same exact credit. How can that be? Because the Spirit of the Father is still the Father, just as a Spirit. Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead) Of course where is the Holy Spirit origin? Whom does this Spirit proceed from? John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: Here we are told two times where the Holy Spirit originates from. |
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6 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230180 | ||
ewq, You seem to have overlooked the verses I gave you stating that the Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit is the Lord. I do not dispute that Christ received the Spirit from the Father. Other than this you have added no new point nor dealt with what I said in my post. I gave you scriptures stating clearly that the spirit is christ, and yet the spirit is OTHER than Christ. This is what you said scripture NEVER teaches. Any observant ready will notice: 1. Those points are fatal to your stance. 2. You are not responding/giving explination to the scriptures that make those points. Therefore, I leave this in the hands of the readers. In Christ, Beja |
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7 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230185 | ||
The Holy Spirit did not originate from Jesus since he had to receive it from the Father. Since the HS is the spirit of the Father it is impossible for it to be a separate person. I already made these points previously. This is what I said "Never does Christ state the Holy Spirit is a different "person"." HS is not a person nor a separate person. The HS is a spirit OF a person. |
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