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1 | Does the Holy Spirit work differently? | Bible general Archive 2 | ischus | 115050 | ||
I think that your question is really a matter of semantics. Your arguments from english are the reason that there is confusion here. Whether or not the Spirit is ever "in" us is purely speculative. Perhaps the Spirit is "around" us or "next" to us. Whatever word we use to describe his presence is beside the point. You are correct in your conclusions, but the real difference between the OT and NT is not the "coming" of the Spirit, but the "remaining" of the Spirit. In the OT the Spirit comes and goes as it is needed to perform the works of God for his purposes. It is always a temporary event. Even David, the man after God's own heart, realized that God's spirit was not a guaranteed gift. That's is why he pleads with God to not take it away from him when he needed God the most. God's glory was fading from Moses, not remaining. The scriptures you mentioned are for the most part a general comment or observation (mostly by other people, not God) about the fact that the Spirit was working with a particular person. On the other hand, we have the "gift" of the Spirit, the eternal, indwelling of the Spirit. It does not come and go as God sees fit. It is always present. Always helping, comforting, encouraging, sanctifying, and stretching us. I hope this gives you what you are looking for. ischus |
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2 | Does the Holy Spirit work differently? | Bible general Archive 2 | Ray | 115104 | ||
Hi ischus, This discussion is not only about semantics of in, upon, indwelling, and filled with; it is also about interpretation of a lower or upper case (S)spirit. I speak of a spirit of love and think of it as a lower case spirit. But when one speaks of the Spirit, of the Person (as shown by capitalization), then we should speak of Him. I see that your post has spoken of "it" when you were talking of both the spirit and the Spirit. 1) You wrote, "On the other hand, we have the "gift" of the Spirit, the eternal, indwelling of the Spirit. It does not come and go as God sees fit. It is always present." I would agree that He is "always helping, comforting, encouraging, sanctifying, and stretching us." The gift of the Spirit, the indwelling of the Spirit, is to my mind what God has done for us. As sons of God, we have Christ dwelling in us because we keep His word. John 14:23, "Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My/ word; and My Father will love him, and (We) will come to him, and make Our abode with him." This is the gift of the Spirit from the Spirit; a promise of indwelling. Christ in us, the hope of glory. 2) However, I see also the gift of the *holy *spirit. It is a gift from God. It is what I see us as being "filled" with. It is the word of Christ richly dwelling within us. Colossians 3:16, "Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God." That is what I call being filled with the spirit. It is what we are told to do; that is the will of the Lord. Ephesians 5:18, "And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the *spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;..." Ephesians 5:20-Colossians 3:17 Thanks be to God! From the heart, Ray |
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3 | How many in upper room?? | Bible general Archive 2 | arrow1 | 115105 | ||
I'd like to throw in a question. At pentecost how many were in the upper room, 12 apostles or the 120??........also did the holy spirit fall on just the twelve apostles or on the 120.??? | ||||||
4 | How many in upper room?? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 115118 | ||
arrow1 Chapter one suggests there was 120 but that was right after Jesus' ascension, or forty days after His death and resurrection. However Pentecost was about 50 days after. In verse 14 of chapter 2 it says Peter stood up with the 11 and began to preach. Here the suggestion is only the 12 were present. I don't think we can draw definite conclusion with the evidence the Bible supplies. Whether it be 12 or 120 the fact remains the Holy Spirit has come to dwell with man. Praise be to God EdB |
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