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1 | when will the rapture take place | NT general Archive 1 | EdB | 140137 | ||
JeffW Great! Good you do think there is going to be a final tribulation or "great" tribulation. Okay let us now go back and look at your reference in Daniel 12:1 (NASB) 1 "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. Now to whom was Daniel written to? Was it the church or was it the Jewish people? Notice the wording “a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation.” Does the word nation here mean any nation or all nations or just the nation of the Hebrews? Again we have to go back to whom the book was written to. Hopefully we are seeing a pattern Daniel is addressing the Jew and his prophecy concerns the Jew. Now jumping forward to Matt 24 Jesus is saying Matthew 24:14 (NASB) 14 "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. Now this seems to be a talking about the church age since the gospel will be preached in the whole world. But then we see in the next verse Matthew 24:15 (NASB) 15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), Now if Daniel’s 70th week has already occurred as you have stated then something is wrong. Or could it be a prophecy that is actually a double prophecy, which we often see in scripture, one that is fulfilled within the flow of prophecy but is also fulfilled later? I think this is the case with Daniel’s week. In any case we know Jesus’ return is after the “Great” tribulation and we know from the wording of the scripture verse 16 it appears all the action if you will is taking place in Judea. But what we don’t know is when the rapture is taking place since this is talking about Jesus’ return not the rapture of the church. However a few things are interesting here. Daniel prophesied it and he was a Jewish prophet writing to the Jew. There is going to be some abomination of desolation take place in the Jewish territory and when they flee from Judea they are to hope it is not in winter or Sabbath. Notice everything is aimed at the Jew and church is conspicuously absent. Perhaps the rapture of the church has taken place. By the way I do agree we here in this country don't know the meaning of tribulation. However Christians in the Sudan, and other northern African nations do. Also in China and other nations when your being persecuted it is hard to argue was this worst than the first century or not. Be blessed EdB |
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2 | when will the rapture take place | NT general Archive 1 | Jeff W | 140478 | ||
Hello, Look at Daniel 12:1 again and you will see a strange thing takes place. Michael the archangel satnds up, This is highly significant in regards to a time frame. When a king or a monarch stands up from the throne, especially in such a conspicuous manner something major happens, a war, or some kind of final judgement was about to take place. Also Michael stands for the children of God's people. . . isn't that God's church? This is definitely an end time prophecy and to suppose that the church differs from God's people, well I don't know. God Bless you Jeff W |
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3 | when will the rapture take place | NT general Archive 1 | EdB | 140479 | ||
Jeff W We have to be very careful when we try to apply a promise, prophecy or comment aimed at Israel to the church. Daniel was a child of Israel and was giving prophecy to the Jews. The church is not mentioned here. I believe it is because the church has been raptured. This is talking about saved Jews. EdB |
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4 | when will the rapture take place | NT general Archive 1 | Jeff W | 140945 | ||
Hello, I have been looking all over for this post. I'm not very knowlegable in this forum yet. Check out this verse again: "and thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book." Are the Jews the only ones who are found written in the book? God Bless you Jeff W |
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5 | when will the rapture take place | NT general Archive 1 | EdB | 140958 | ||
JeffW You need the whole verse. Note the word "your" (emphasis added by me) in the last sentence. That does narrow it down to Daniels people or the Jew. Daniel 12:1 (NKJV) 1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time "YOUR" people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. EdB |
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6 | when will the rapture take place | NT general Archive 1 | Jeff W | 140978 | ||
Hello Edb I do believe you are one of His people, I know I am. I also know that all those who are walking in Christ's righteousness will be found written in the book. To base the pre-trib rapture on this is pretty slim, especially with all the proof pointing to post trib. God Bless you Jeff W |
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7 | when will the rapture take place | NT general Archive 1 | EdB | 140992 | ||
Jeffw Remember the angel was talking to Daniel here and he said "your" people. Had he said God's people then I would agree it meant all saved people. However he said 'your' which I believe Daniel associated with the Jews. Also remember Daniel was living in a foreign land so your people would be used to denote the Jews from the Babylonians. Now I never said it proves pre trib rapture. However I do believe the church will be raptured before God’s final wrath is poured out on the world. It may be before the Great Trib, at the beginning, near the middle, toward the end or right before the end. Of this I’m certain when it happens we will all know but right now I believe we simply do not know. EdB |
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