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1 | What is the Holy Ghost? | NT general Archive 1 | Leox | 106522 | ||
A good place to find out more about the fallacies of the Trinity is http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/html/. I do not agree with everything stated by the author of this website. However, he does a good overall job of exposing the Trinity. |
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2 | What is the Holy Ghost? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 106524 | ||
Greetings Leox! Would you mind giving us some examples of the 'fallacies' of the Trinity? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | What is the Holy Ghost? | NT general Archive 1 | Leox | 106607 | ||
Hi Tim, Well for starters, let's take John1:1. This is a Trinitarian's favorite place to run when trying to defend the Trinity. First of all, when one reads the entire chapter where a Trinitarian directs you, you may get a completely different picture. Read John 1:18 which says "No man has seen God at any time". Next, if you look at John 1:14, it says "So the Word became flesh and resided among us". Men had the chance to see the Word (Christ) in person. Yet the Bible states that "No man has seen God at any time". If Christ is God, then John chapter 1 is contradicting itself. John 1:1 is a classic case of the Bible translator allowing his/her doctrinal bias to dictate how they render certain words in English. The Greek word being used for God here is Theos. Yet the plural form of this word is translated "gods" by most Bible translators in John 10:35. Why do Bible translators render Theos as God in some places and "god" in other places? Please bear in mind that in Greek (or more specifically Koine Greek), there is no indefinite article. By indefinite article, I mean the word "a" or "an" in English. The indefinite article is understood based on context. In John 1:1 where we read "and the Word was with God", the Greek words ho Theos are used to represent God. The next set of words read "and the Word God". Here the Greek word Theos stands by itself without the definite article ho. Think of it another way. If someone were to say to you that "The Man" wants to see you. You would think to yourself that someone really important needs to speak to you. However, if they stated that "a man" wants to see you. You wouldn't automatically assume that it was someone important. Likewise, when the words ho Theos are used in the NT, we are speaking of Almighty God. When Theos appears by itself, it more than likely is referring to simply any deity. Many Bible translators have chosen to render John 1:1 according to their religious beliefs rather than translating what they see in the ancient manuscripts. A number of other Bible translators have chosen to render these words more accurately. Some translations for example, render the latter part of John 1:1 as "and the Word was Divine". So to say that Jesus is Divine is to put him on a level that is higher than the angels. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that he is God. |
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4 | What is the Holy Ghost? | NT general Archive 1 | BradK | 106609 | ||
Leox, I don't think anyone is trying "to run somewhere" by referring to John 1:1. It is one of the clearest Biblical examples portraying the Diety of Christ. If I may inquire, you state "So to say that Jesus is Divine is to put him on a level that is higher than the angels. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that he is God." What is the implication of Thomas' statement in John 20:28 then? Further, might I ask who Hebrews 1:1-8 is referring to when it says in verse 8 "But of the Son He says,Your throne, O God, is forever and ever." If Jesus is not God, then our faith is useless, for He did not raise from the dead! However, as Paul clearly writes "and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins." ( 1 Cor.15:14-17) I'm afraid I don't buy your argument, and you offer no real compelling evidence to alter my views of the authority of scripture! Since you provide no profile, I'll also assume that you don't desire to let the rest of us on the Forum have any clue as to your "doctrinal bias". Are you a JW? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | What is the Holy Ghost? | NT general Archive 1 | JCrichton | 106616 | ||
BradK, Hi! You are so correct. I do not understand how people can read the Bible redifine all meaning, select a single passage on which to base their argument, and then quote someone who has the same distorted views as though that makes it so (right). And if you quote a passage like Hebrews 1:8 they either pretend it is not in the Bible or attempt to explain with interpretational language babble. There is only one Alpha and Omega, one King of Israel (corporal and Spiritual), one Lord, One God! I have a vivid recolection of a couple of believers that when we departed I commented "May the Holy Spirit guide your journey (or path)." They asked me to repeat myself and the look they gave me was that of someone speaking to them in a very foreign tongue. Paul was right!: speaking in tongue is a sign for the believers not the unbelievers! God Bless! |
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6 | What is the Holy Ghost? | NT general Archive 1 | KaleoWaYesu | 106790 | ||
Hi all, Jesus Is also God! Unless Isaiah chapter 9:6 is giving attributes of divinity to a different child. The Holy Spirit is also God. I know the 3 in 1 concept of the Godhead is a difficult one to grasp. Many things in the bible are. This is why our God is Omniscience, omnipotent and Omnipresent. Other deities cannot claim this ability. This calls for simplicity in faith, otherwise we shall forever be splitting spiritual hairs, e.g. Did Jonah really spend 3 days in the belly of Whale and live to tell the story? Or, how can a flame burn a bush and not consume it as in the case of Moses... The bible records that the Lord has hidden some things from the wise and revealed it to babes. Let us have the simplicity of faith like a child's. My people of old used to worship the sun and believed all life originated from it, until some missionary, may God bless him and his-progeny forever, came over and showed us a better God. Remember the story of Apollos from Alexandria who went around teaching powerfully in the book of Acts? One day a couple invited him to their home and showed him a better way of conducting his ministry. This forum can act as a way of learning better spiritual things, at least to me it does. This is only possible if we do not allow biases and mindsets to cloud our vision. Lets us glorify God, not man's wise-doms. Sincerely, Andy. |
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