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1 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | Searcher56 | 75231 | ||
The question is when will the wrath of God come? -Romans 1:18 says it already has been revealed -Colossians 3:6 says it is coming We will not suffer the eternal wrath of God, but go thru the tribulation. Yes, pretrib is fairly new ... no one wants to experience the tribulation. Nor do we want to suffer persecution ... the latter is a promise |
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2 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75244 | ||
No true believer will have to suffer ANY of the wrath of God! For the pretrib. theory to work, they say that we will be removed before the tribulation takes place because I Thes. 5:9 is very explicit, which I agree, we will not suffer God’s wrath! What people fail to understand is that everything that takes place in Matthew 24 and all of the seals, up to the 6th seal in Revelation, are the workings of mankind under the guise of Satan’s man, the antichrist, and his cohorts, it is NOT the wrath of God! 1 Thes. 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Coupling that previous verse with I Thess. 3:4 presents a problem with the pretrib. position. 1 Thes. 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. Believers are going to think some strange thing is happening to them when the tribulation hits because they weren’t supposed to be here for that problem, according to what we have been taught, and I myself was of that camp. Believers in general are doing the exact opposite of what Christ told them along with Paul and Peter, we are being deceived into believing that we won’t be here during the beginning of sorrow and the great tribulation. Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 1 Peter 4:12-13 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. Peter affirms to us that it will happen and notice that right after the warning it speaks of the glory that will be revealed, that’s the rapture. It is my firm position that the wrath of God will come on the very same day that we are caught up into glory. It will be the most spectacular sight and event that this world has ever experienced; not some secret removal of God's elect! Every one alive on the face of the earth will see God coming back in a blaze of glory when he dispels the darkness, that will be enshroud the earth on that day. The earth will be encircled by darkness and then by some miraculous mean God will draw the cloud cover away like a scroll snapping back and there in all His brilliance will be Almighty God along with his angels of fire. We, the believers, will be looking up and praising God for cutting our persecution short and coming to our rescue. The unbelievers will be looking down for a cave or a den of rocks to hide in, to try and get away from His presence and hide from His face. Then there will be the loud sound of a trumpet, that will likely shake the earth, and believers from every tongue and people and nation will be changed in a moment into thier new bodies and will rise up to meet the Lord in the air. After we rise up, and the commotion stops, there will be dead silence for one half hour where everything will be still and then Revelation chapter 8 will resume with the beginning of God’s wrath. God’s wrath starts with fire, and gets continually worse. This is a short rendition of the way I see it, If you want chapter and verse to back it all up, peace by peace, let me know and I will more then glad to share it. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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3 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | Searcher56 | 75246 | ||
You said "No true believer will have to suffer ANY of the wrath of God!" Is the wrath of the Lamb (Rev 6:16-17) the wrath of God? Who will encounter the wrath? |
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4 | Pre Tribulation rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75254 | ||
The ones that will suffer the wrath of God are going to be those that are left after the rapture takes place, with the exception of the 144,000 that have the seal of God in their forehead. 2 Thes. 1:4-10 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; Don’t confuse the tribulation that Paul speaks of here with the tribulation that we will face. The tribulation that is referred to here is explained in the following verse and it’s a vengeance of fire from God. 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. The grafiting back in, that will take place, of the Jews is from the 144,000 that are protected in the Rev.7. The times of the gentile will be over, just as Paul talked of in Romans. Rev. 7:2-4 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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