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1 | What unmarried sexual acts are sinful? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 3314 | ||
Dear forrest: Why are so many threatened by the use of the word "doctrine", which is merely another word for "teaching"? All scripture is indeed "profitable for doctrine" (KJV). . . . Thank you for the philosophical essay on Truth. But I was never speaking of the precepts or doctrine of men. I was speaking only of sound Bible doctrine which IS inspired of God and the meaning of which can be determined. To suggest that there is some contradiction or conflict between sound Bible doctrine and Christ is misleading. The Bible (including its sound doctrine) is the Written Word. Christ is the Living Word. Therefore, I see no conflict between Christ, the Living Word, and the Bible, the Written Word. So I still say belief comes first and then behavior. I still say WHAT, as well as Whom, we believe greatly impacts the way we live. It was not my intention to quibble over words, but to state a plain fact in plain English. |
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2 | What unmarried sexual acts are sinful? | Bible general Archive 1 | forrest | 3333 | ||
I wish you could hear my voice and the desire to share with a heart of truth. I am not afraid of doctrine as rightly handling the spoken Word of God is of extreme importance as it reveals God to us. However, neither am I afraid of "philosophy" if it is a sincere desire to know the truth and not a mere propounding of man's thoughts. There is a difference in doctrine and truth as truth is found in the person of Truth, Jesus Christ. Now doctrine, which is man's understanding of the objective and subjective truth of Christ is not that very truth itself but our understanding. Unless we realize this distinction between our understanding and the essence of truth itself (Himself) we run the risk of confusing our doctrine with His reality. Christ said, "You search the scriptures because you think in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." John 5:39f Christ confronted the Pharisees in that they had doctrine, but life is in the person of Christ who was right before them. Never confuse doctrine with Christ. Christ is always consistent and true to scripture which is infallible and always true, but our understanding and perception is quite fallible and can be false or incomplete. We must submit our own understanding to the truth and guidance of the Holy Spirit (now here is where many evangelicals run scared)who guides in truth and gives illumination and understanding--always consistent with the person and Word of Christ. Every church era has error--from the centrality of the pope to the deification of doctrine, let us know the reality of both objective and subjective truth which must (when true) be consistent and are both necessary, but neither is sufficient. |
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3 | What unmarried sexual acts are sinful? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 3334 | ||
I see we are still quibbling over words, in that we do not agree on what "doctrine" is. It seems you are saying that the Bible CONTAINS doctrine, which may or may not be truth, depending on one's own subjective understanding of it. I am saying that the Bible IS doctrine and as such IS truth. It may be amusing to quarrel over words, definitions, and philosophies, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to do so. Sir, I do not question the sincerity of your heart nor your desire for truth. What I write here is definitely not an assessment of your character or sincerity, but of your writings, as I understand them. Take care. --JVH0212 |
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4 | What unmarried sexual acts are sinful? | Bible general Archive 1 | forrest | 3348 | ||
Just quickly, as I have to go. Paragraph 1 is definitely not what I am saying. What the Bible contains is true, every bit of it. Doctrine is our construction of that truth, in our own minds and is a model or approximation of an objective truth, which is what it is totally independent of our understanding. We must distiguish our understanding from the actual reality of the truth itself. Otherwise we may not hear the quiet correction of God. I apologize if I seem trivial. My life consists largely of words (but not of good typing), and even the Bible suggests that there is great power in them. I try to be careful and clear and find the discipline helps refine and clarify my understanding and thus my application of truth. If this dilaogue does not draw either of us or someone closer to God or help us hear Him more clearly, then it is vain and useless. I too am not interested in quibbling and am perhaps in error to pen so quick a response, but I have to go. I will reread your submissions. I believe there is merit in my doing so. Just be cautious the letter (and associated doctrine) kills if taken apart from the grace and Spirit of God. There will be skilled theologians in heaven and hell alike. Thank you for the time to help hone my own understanding, God bless you, forrest PS. I do know, and we can know absolute truth. It is discernable and "knowable", but the truth we can know abslolutely is not data or fact but is right relationship with our savior, Jesus Christ. All other truths are contained in Him and radiate from Him. I fear that many people know scripture, and know doctrine, but miss the savior passing near. This is a fearful thought and the motivation of my remarks. Forgive me if my statements have been unclear or seemed to be quibbling. My thoughts are not academic. I still fly, but used to fly an aircraft with terrain following radar. My E2 scope had a graphic display which was the ground and my climb profile. That presentation was my doctrine and I flew with direct reference to it. Yet, I always realized that the reference was not the ground itself which was always a very solid reality just a couple seconds away. |
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5 | What unmarried sexual acts are sinful? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 3357 | ||
I agree wholeheartedly with your statement, "We must distiguish our understanding from the actual reality of the truth itself." I do understand your points and the gist of your writings on this topic. I see by your writings that you love the Lord and live to please Him. I confess that I am sometimes impatient and harsh sounding, taking offense where none was intended. Forgive me. All of the warnings you give re head knowledge vs. heart knowledge (experience) are timely and appropriate to believers in general. Thank you for your sincere, conscientious postings. Keep on studying the written Word and getting to know the living word more and more. Sounds like you have more than a good start already. Your brother in the Lord, JVH0212 | ||||||
6 | What unmarried sexual acts are sinful? | Bible general Archive 1 | Ray | 4231 | ||
Dear JVH and forrest, You guys had a great conversation on 4/12 and 4/13 that I just now read. Rest assured that many people will be blessed by it, especially as your future postings with each other will continue to show the love of the Lord that you both have. Now since I'd rather talk about capitalization of scripture rather than unmarried sexual acts any day, that's what this posting is about. Typing mistakes that forrest implies he might make and varying, inconsistent usage of the Written Word aside, I would like to just say what I believe and would get from your discussion. The philosophical bent of the use of capitalization is thought of as a waste of time to you JVH but its use will help in showing that you are both saying the same things in agreement. I believe that there is truth itself and that there is the Truth Himself. I don't think we have to say truth itself (Himself) as forrest did. I believe that it is important to know the bible teaching that will lead to correct doctrine and tradition. We need to know the truth itself. I believe that it is most important to know the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and the "message of this Life." John 8:31 says, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the Truth, and the Truth will make you free."...NASB (except for capital T's) "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed." Compare that with John 14:7, "...from now on you know Him and have seen Him."...and yet you have not come to know Me, Phillip?" I was led to contrast Isaiah 45:4-15 also. Don't be afraid to communicate your differences especially if you do as well as you did here. |
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7 | What unmarried sexual acts are sinful? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 4300 | ||
Dear ray: Thank you for your kind remarks. One of the best things about this Forum is getting to meet people like yourself, forrest and others who share "like precious faith." God bless you. --JVH0212 | ||||||