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1 | Christian Primer Terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 18320 | ||
Joe: Thank you so much for replying to my posting. Even if we disagree, I am still very pleased that you replied. You have no idea how much I respect you and your writings. You have truly earned my respect and my serious consideration of and reply to whatever you address to me. Without being dogmatic or argumentative, I will simply try to clarify my position (my understanding) of repentance. For starters the complete Ryrie quote is: "VI. THE CONDITION FOR SALVATION "A. The Condition. Salvation is conditioned solely on faith in Jesus Christ. Nearly 200 times faith, or belief, is stated as the single condition in the N.T. (John 1:12; Acts 16:31). That faith must be placed in Christ as one's substitute for and Saviour from sin. (...) "B. The False Additions to Faith. (...) "3. Repentance. This is a valid condition for salvation when understood as a synonym for faith. It is a false addition to faith when understood as a prerequisite, requiring the cleansing of the life in order to be saved" (p. 1950, Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Press, 1978). Further, Ryrie writes in the note at Acts 2:38: "Repent. To change one's mind; specifically, here, about Jesus of Nazareth, and to acknowledge Him as Lord (equals God) and Christ (equals Messiah). Such repentance brings salvation. There is also a repentance needed in the Christian life in relation to specific sins (2 Cor. 7:9; Rev. 2:5)." I do not wish to debate this, but I am curious: Can you post (a) specific quotation(s) where Dr. Charles Caldwell Ryrie says in plain language that people who are saved can go through their entire lives and not show the marks of true salvation; that repentance isn't truly necessary at all? I would appreciate it if you could post a direct quote by him in which he assserts the above and back up the quote by citing the source, i.e., publication, page number, publisher and date. I mean no offense to you, Joe. I have absolute confidence in your honesty, which I am not questioning. It's just that I would like to see for myself WHERE Ryrie asserts such a thing in regard to repentance. Grace to you, kalos |
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2 | Christian Primer Terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 18328 | ||
Kalos: Thanks for your reply. While I do not have a direct quote from Ryrie handy, this view is expressed clearly in his book "So Great Salvation" which I do not own but have read in its entirety. Basically, Ryrie's view seemed to be not that there would be NO fruit, but it would be possible for the believer in Christ to bear fruit that would never be detected by him or others. The way he put it in the book was merely that "some how, some way, in some fashion, some fruit would be produced." I am sorry I cannot give you a more precise quote at this time, but I will look into it and get back to you. It isn't a view that he is apologetic or cryptic about, in any case. The problem I have with the view is that it seems that we will know true believers by their fruit. The fruit is there to demonstrate the fitness of the tree to all who are in its presence. I agree that we are justified by faith alone. Where Ryrie differs from me and many others is exactly WHAT the nature of saving faith is. I hold that repentence is not a work, but the "other side of the coin" --turning from embracing ourselves and the world and turning to embrace Christ. I also see no indication that repentance in a Biblical sense is merely "changing one's mind about who Christ is." How does Ryrie support that with Scripture? Repentence always seems to be FROM sins and selfishness, never a solely intellectual exercise. One other thing: I would be interested to understand how you reconcile all of those verses I cited with Ryrie's view? Thanks again. Going to a wedding now. More later! --Joe! |
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