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1 | put 1Jn 5:7 BACK where it belongs! | 1 John 5:7 | justanotherchristian | 98712 | ||
Dear Friend, You are missing the point. If you simply "entertain" yourself with religion in the comfort of your favorite chair, it's no big deal whether 1 John 5:7 should be acknowledged as "canon" or not. BUT IF you are actually living your life and making your decisions in such a way that IF you "got it wrong" you are sure to "crash and burn", then every jot and tittle in the Bible is life-and-death crucial. We need to know WHAT God wanted us to respond to, and we need to know that we understood it rightly. Take for example John 6:27 and Matthew 6:19-34. Some folks will be making crucial, life determining decisions based on what they think those words and phrases mean. Some - in the hope of obedience that is vindicated by God, will NOT buy life insurance nor wll they save up that retirement fund for their old age. If they were WRONG in what they thought those scriptures meant, there is a sore and sad reality waiting for them just a few existential moments away. When you are "betting" not only your "eternal condition (after this life)on the COUNSEL of the Bible - but when you are "betting" your temporal health and welfare on that counsel, it is infinitely crucial to BE RIGHT in your perceptions. To cast a doubt upon the veracity and authenticity of 1 John 5:7 at this stage of the game, is to bring the whole Bible into question. WHO KNOWS what "new discovery" will prove that this word or that passage was not authentic? This is the classic case of the "slippery slope" syndrome. For the unavoidable REALITY is that IF 1 John 5:7 is not inspired, authentic and trustworthy, we also do not know WHAT ELSE will sooner or later be changed or deleted or added. Can I beseech you to go to our main web-site and read just chapter 1 of THE GREAT DREAM? (only 5 letter sized pages long)? Tell me - are you willing to let Acts 8:37 and the doxology at the end of The Lord's Prayer go down the same hole as 1 John 5:7? AND WHERE does this thing end? Say The Lord's Prayer aloud to yourself - but just leave off these words: *For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.* Does it not feel and sound WRONG? Matthew 23:14 is also gone along with 1 John 5:7 - no problem? Have you really thought this ALL THE WAY THROUGH? WHAT is it, in your present life, that is dependent on your understanding of something in the Bible? Is there anything in your present life that is at risk if you "got it wrong"? What might that be, that is at risk if you misunderstood the Bible (in this present life)? Are you risking your health, or your money, or the approval of your friends and family on the idea that you understood something from the Bible that was CONTRARY to the common wisdom that ALL MEN share? WHAT you decide about 1 John 5:7 has infinite ramifications for your life: for the entire Bible is truly on trial with just this one question about this one verse. 1 John 5:7 is part of the Bible I am depending on to guide me through this sick, sad, treacherous and dying world. If I concede to let 1 John 5:7 go, then I cannot but wonder about what's next. It sure would be easier to "not be ashamed" of the teachings of Christ if we could just delete that annoying and disconcerting little section of Luke 14:26-33 (especially that SCANDALOUS verse 26). Someone wanted to tell me that Psalm 68:11 COULD BE translated to "women singing and dancing" or some such thing. I already knew that - but is that really where we want to go? Should we take a "could be" and make that cancel out an "always was"? This is THE DIMINISHING GROUND OF THE ABSOLUTE, when the longer and harder you look, the more faint everything becomes..... 2 Tim 3:16-17 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. justanother(needs a reliable Bible)christian jac@lacglobal.net www.apostasynow.com |
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2 | put 1Jn 5:7 BACK where it belongs! | 1 John 5:7 | Aixen7z4 | 98734 | ||
I should have known that the response would have come quickly, before anyone would have had had a chance to ponder for a while the post to which he was responding. There is no indication that you even read the first passage quoted, even in your favorite version of the Bible. It seems you think that your eternal destiny rests on the fact you have discovered that most perfect version. Is that not worth thinking of, for a moment? What if you had lived in the time of Abraham when there was no written word? What if you were illiterate or less intelligent now and did not know which version was the best? We must be careful of bibliolotry and worship only the God of the Bible. I am happy these days to see someone simply reading the Gospel of John. If they never knew any more than that, they could have eternal life (John 3:16; John 20:31). If they obeyed the one commandment found there (John 13:34) I understand they would have kept the whole law (Romans 13:9). And love, my friend, is all important. Without it, knowledge only puffeth up (1 Corinthians 8:1). And when one is puffed up, one does not think clearly. He starts to think that he is a teacher and that everyone else is here to learn from him. Nor does he go into all the world to teach those who so need to learn. He withdraws into the cocoon with those who see every comma and semicolon where he sees it. In the will of God we have many brethren in the faith. Let us listen to them all. In the will of God we have many Bible translations. Let us use them all. Let us read Matthew 23 in all the versions, if only to make sure it is not addressed to us. But all of the Bible is addressed to us. Let us read it all. If we do, then I think we will not fret if one statement is not made here when it appears elsewhere. Above all, my friend, I wish you peace and assurance of salvation. A man who found a scrap of scripture in the gutter came to trust the Lord and went out to lead others to him. Like the woman at the well, he did not have all of the Bible and did not know what was missing. He thought he was overflowing. And we have so much! Let us not try to fill up our own store; it is not possible. Let us rather give out what we have, the word of faith, to others. |
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3 | WILL YOU ADD TO, TAKE AWAY FROM, OR LEAV | 1 John 5:7 | justanotherchristian | 98758 | ||
Mat 23:24 (KJV) Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. I do not accept the translation you quoted, for it changes the sense. It is obvious that Jesus was denouncing them for making molehills out of mountains and mountains out of molehills - but the translation (if it can be called that) you quoted has Jesus denouncing people who actually pay attention to what they read, hear and say. It seems to have been but a short step for you - from objections to insults. Why? I was only explaining WHY I went back to the KJV - and I already declared that the KJV could use some updating of the language and some clarification. The NASB pleases me well in some places where the KJV is obscure - but I cannot and will not acknowledge as "auhority" any Bible that simply deletes entire sentences from the text. Why do you make it a crime, that I answer promptly? SOMEONE suggested that I might be guilty of "adding to the word of God" if I acknowledge 1 John 5:7 as genuine and canonical - well that sets up a very interesting contest for us all to take sides on.... We have tacitly agreed that whoever either ADDS TO or TAKES AWAY FROM the Word of God is in DAMNABLY big trouble - as in "damnation"..... OK - I agree. Rev 22:18-19 (KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. SO - at the risk of DAMNATION, make your choice! I say that 1 John 5:7 IS part of God's Holy Word, and it was there before I got here, anyway. When I was converted to Christ - 1 John 5:7 was in the Bible that I began to read. I am serenely confident that 1 John 5:7 BELONGS in God's Bible because God put it there. SO NOW it's your turn to DECLARE - Well, that's enough. Galatians 4:16 justanotherchristian www.apostasynow.com |
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4 | WILL YOU ADD TO, TAKE AWAY FROM, OR LEAV | 1 John 5:7 | mkm9 | 98766 | ||
Hi "justanotherchristian"--this post says to me that I must hold certain positions re: "The book" I know the bible is God's word and I believe in JESUS as His son .You say-"at the risk of Damnation make your choice"-- My choice is made -I stand with HIM and his work-fully understanding that He is in chsrge and that I must seek HIM--not only His word but "the living word Himself"-in Him mkm9 | ||||||