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1 | put 1Jn 5:7 BACK where it belongs! | 1 John 5:7 | justanotherchristian | 98547 | ||
Dear Hank and All..... PLEASE.... I have done my homework on this matter and on this verse. It is directly quoted in the early 4th century by some latin writer in Spain (cannot remember the name just now) -Polannasius? (Sp). It is alluded to in apparent inference a few times in the Pre-Nicene "Fathers" - and then, there is a peculiar dangling participle left hanging off the end of the shortened quote of verse 7 that does not match up properly with the beginning of verse 8. Can't you see what is happening here? THE WHOLE BIBLE's authenticity is called into doubt by such things as this. EVEN the Vulgate and the Douay (taken from the Vulgate) have this verse, intact. This verse was never seriously challenged until Westcott and Hort..... think of that.... I will be glad to receive person e-mail at jac@jacglobal.net you can visit our main web-site at www.apostasynow.com |
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2 | What problem? | 1 John 5:7 | Morant61 | 98559 | ||
Greetings Justanotherchristian! I just thought of another question my friend! You state that there is some problem with the connection between the shorter ending of 1 John 5:7 and 5:8. How so? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | What problem? | 1 John 5:7 | justanotherchristian | 98630 | ||
1 John 5:6-8 (KJV) This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. I have removed the challenged text - look at how it reads. In order to avoid this embarrasing "gaff", some translations remove the entire verse, but even then, you end up with an awkward expression. The bare fact (admitted) that there is a 4th century quotation proves that the verse did not originate in the 10th century (as some claim). I have a more extensive article on why 1 John 5:7 cannot be excluded without harm to the Bible that I can send to you, but it is too large for this forum message service. Please write to me at jac@jacglobal.net and I can e-mail the article to you (it was not written by me). BY THE WAY - the same "source" that deletes the Johanine Comma also delets the Doxology from the Lord's Prayer..... this is definitely one of those situations where if you give up that inch, you are going to lose the mile... justanotherchristian www.apostasynow.com |
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4 | What problem? | 1 John 5:7 | Morant61 | 98640 | ||
Greetings Justanotherchristian! One quick problem, if I may! The first part of v. 8 is also part of the disputed text. In your response as to why leaving the disputed text of v. 7 out, you arbitrarily leave the rest of the disputed text in and then use it as evidence that the first part should remain. The fact that the first quote appears in the 4th century only affirms that the spurious reading was older than the tenth century - originally. However, it does not provide support that the reading is original since the fact remains that the reading only occurs in 4 manuscripts (2 of which have the reading written in the margin), none of which are older than the 10th century. So, allow me to ask: If the reading were original, why is it not found in any of the thousands of manuscripts before the 10th century? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | What problem? | 1 John 5:7 | justanotherchristian | 98701 | ||
I do not remember precisely - but it does occur in some Latin tetxs before 1000 - write to me and I will send you the extended article on 1 John 5:7 jac@jacglobal.net Just Another Christian, and, "US" 1 John 4:6 Main site front page www.apostasynow.com The Great Dream Book: http://www.apostasynow.com/tgd/index.html |
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6 | What problem? | 1 John 5:7 | Morant61 | 98702 | ||
Greetings Justanotherchristian! I don't think we are connecting here! :-) Allow me to rephrase my question. Why should I accept a reading which is only found in 4 out of thousands of Greek manuscripts? As far as the article is concerned, you can e-mail it to be at: Morant62@hotmail.com Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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