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1 | Always Saved?? | Heb 6:6 | John Reformed | 78379 | ||
Hello Pete, The pros and cons of your question has been debated exhaustively on this forum. But it is a legitmate question and I am happy to respond to it. I have discovered that, often, the side that one comes down on depends on the person's understanding of how we are saved to begin with. Are we saved because of our decision or God's? If it was our choice to trust Christ that tipped the balence and caused the pearly gates to open, then I suppose we could cause them to close by choosing to withdraw our trust in Him. However, if our decision was reached as a result of God's choosing us, then we may rest assured that He would never leave or forsake us. So, I would say, the way we view salvation (as well as many other doctrines) depends on whether our theology is man-centered or God-centered. God Bless, John Reformed |
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2 | Always Saved?? | Heb 6:6 | New Creature | 78384 | ||
John I do not disagree with you when you state that God chose us. God truly does initiate our salvation. What is often left out is man's responsibility to repent and believe. So we do personally have a choice to make. God does not repent or believe for us, even though He enables us to be brought to the point where we must either receive Him or reject Him. To all who receive Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. John 1:12 Grace to you New Creature |
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3 | Always Saved?? | Heb 6:6 | John Reformed | 78399 | ||
New Creature, Our diffence lies in what the result of God's choosing us accomplishes. You said that God merely initiates our salvation. I believe that God not only initiates it but gives us the means by which salvation is actually realized in our beings. In other words the unbelieving heart of stone is replaced with a new heart. This new heart is a heart which willingly surrenders to Christ. Repentance and faith are also a manifestation of the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit. Yes we do have to choose, and we do so freely by following the desire of our heavenly gift. A brand new heart. John 1:12 does not contradict unconditional election. Neither does John 3:16 or any other verse which I am aware of. The question is: Why do some recieve Him and believe on His name, but others reject Him and do not believe? My answer is based on Scripture. Rom 9:18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. To God be the Glory, John Reformed |
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4 | Always Saved?? | Heb 6:6 | New Creature | 78418 | ||
John You said - "Why do some recieve Him and believe on His name, but others reject Him and do not believe? My answer is based on Scripture. Rom 9:18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. Ok then If He hardens whom He desires, and if no one can resist Him, then you need to address the following question. On the day of judgement will God Judge those whose hearts were hardened, because of their inability to have been given a heart able to respond in faith. Cause thats where the senario you are laying out appears to finally and eventually lead. Grace to you New Creature |
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5 | Always Saved?? | Heb 6:6 | John Reformed | 78422 | ||
Dear New Creature, You stated: "On the day of judgement will God Judge those whose hearts were hardened, because of their inability to have been given a heart able to respond in faith." God will judge all those who are not "in Christ" based upon their sins. Salvation is not a right. It is a function of mercy twords those guilty ones whom God has chosen to redeem through Jesus. The rest are passed by and suffer the penalty for their sins. If you believe that this is unjust, consider what Paul said in Rom 9:20-22 "...who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?" God Bless, John Reformed |
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6 | Always Saved?? | Heb 6:6 | New Creature | 78432 | ||
John Since God judges in righteousness, and since His desire is that not one perishes. And since God's love is unlimited. And since all are born with an inherited sin nature. For God to damn some to hell for their inability to respond in faith, would mean God is unjust rather than just, and that would also make God the author of sin. No I do see any place in Scripture where God passes by some and damns them for their inability. I rather see in Scripture that those who are damned have their ownselves to blame because they rejected the free gift of salvation that has been provided for all who respond in faith. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:38 Grace to you New Creature |
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7 | Always Saved?? | Heb 6:6 | sniper | 78434 | ||
New Creature, Since you are using reason, I am surprised that John doesn't agree with you since he said in post 78423, "We are not expected to toss reason to the wind when we seek to know God." I would like to ask you a question. Do you believe that all are born with a sin nature? God bless. |
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8 | Always Saved?? | Heb 6:6 | New Creature | 78483 | ||
dear sniper The answer to that question can be found in my post which you responded to. But if you want me to save you the time of returning to that post. My answer is yes, I do believe that all are born with a sin nature Grace to you New Creature |
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