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1 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | skccab | 195177 | ||
Doc, I've already stated that I am not a fan of Joel, I've got 2 people following his weekly TV show that I'm wanting to get them away. I think I have one now that is only watching cos it creates a bond with her real-life sister (whom I'm not personally friends with yet). What I'm saying is that the person who is truly called of God to come will eventually find that Joel's teachings are greatly lacking and they will seek the Word elsewhere (Was it a terrible thing that Joel got them started?) For the ones who go to Joel purely for what they can gain in the world and in the fleshly realm would not hear the true gospel anyway for they are not answering to the call of the Spirit - they are answering the call of their own flesh. (And while Joel and the many others of his genre are touting the fleshly "gospel" they can and probably do keep many from being downright "lawless" and point them to a somewhat higher directive.) I am in no way "for" these guys, I don't think that they are a "great thing" but they do serve a purpose. And to think that someone who is truly called of God to become a child of God could be misled and kept from their salvation in Yeshua by their teachings seems to me to be limiting the power of God's calling and limiting the power and ability of the Holy Spirit to accomplish that work. Cheri |
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2 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | DocTrinsograce | 195187 | ||
Dear Cheri, Well, if I understand you correctly, yes God can and does make use of all men. However, that is something of the nature of our God, it does not reflect the character of the men He uses. God even makes use of Satan, yet without it having effect on the devil's character. Our efforts should be to battle deception with the truth and the power of the Holy Spirit. The false teaching of various cults in our day bring great harm to many people. Our God is incredible, for He can turn around even the worst of the deceivers and the deceived. Nevertheless, we should not forget that Christian truth has vanished where it once flourished. As believers, we are called to push back the darkness as true soldiers of the cross. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | skccab | 195189 | ||
Doc, Much appreciated. And I agree completely. I don't want to sit back and watch "good" people go under false teachings. (I was one of those people once, a long time ago.) But can't we do it without bashing those that we are standing against? Certainly, we don't raise them up, but can't we calmly present The Way (the better way) without calling names, pointing fingers, and basically sounding like them? Cheri |
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4 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | DocTrinsograce | 195221 | ||
Dear Cheri, The pattern that we seek to emulate is set in Scripture. In your study of Galatians, for example, you will see a clear instance of one apostle calling another to public account for misbehavior. Those who elevate themselves to a public ministry require that they be corrected in a public fashion. Private, interpersonal correction has its place among individual believers who hold no ministerial office. Furthermore, we eschew things like euphemisms, since they are fundamentally deceptive. We must honor and reflect the character of our Lord. The example of Scripture is to call a spade a spade without equivocation. Off the top of my head, here are some examples we have from Scripture in which rebuke was public and explicit. I'm sure there are others. "For Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica." (2 Timothy 4:10a ESV) "Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message." (2 Timothy 4:14-15 ESV) "I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority. So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church." (3 John 1:9-10 ESV) Remember, the distinction is that public figures require public rebuke for error, and public commendation for righteousness. It is all about teaching -- both in word and in deed. I also think the old Puritans had it right when they said, "Being kind to the wolf is being cruel to the sheep." In Him, Doc |
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5 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | skccab | 195225 | ||
Doc, Yes, I agree, call any of them to the front. (I'm out of Copeland's teachings and I'm still finding things he said popping up in my memory even tho it's been over 2 decades since I used to listen to him and I'd really like to forget!). I was speaking of when we talk to others who are in their "camp" so to speak. Don't you think there is a better way to draw them to the true teachers without finger pointing, and bad-mouthing those they are listening to? Maybe I'm the exception, but when 20 years ago someone starting talking bad about Kenneth I would just hold the more tightly and defend him and wouldn't listen to what was being said. If those people might have simply showed me what the Bible said against what Kenneth was teaching, I probably would have listened more. I'm personally trying to get someone away from Joel's "feel good" gospel, but I'm treading carefully because of my past experiences. I'm trying real hard not to lift him up but also not to tear him down. He's the one that got her to pur chase a Bible and to read it (well, really, it was the Holy Spirit, but Joel is the one she's been watching on TV). I'm seeing her again tonight, pray I hear the words the Lord wants me to speak - she's sooo close!! Shalom Cheri |
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