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1 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | wordoer | 103793 | ||
Hello Sissy, You are correct, It is not right to eat pig, I prefer to use the Biblical terminology “swines flesh” I would say they think they know something you don't, But you seem wiser than they, because you believe what you read from God's word, It reads very plainly in Lev. 11, and Deut.14, doesn't it? You would do well to not eat unclean animals. It is in the Law of God. If you do a little study into these filthy, detestable beasts, you will find out that they are a walking garbage disposal that God created to clean up the earth of dead and rotting flesh, among other filth and garbage, and not created to be consumed as food, (therefore their purpose is good, although not as food). They also carry a parasite know as trichinosis, which can if ingested, cause much damage to your body, I wouldn’t even want to take a chance on getting any of that. Here is a scripture I like to point out, Ezek 22:26 "Her priests have done violence to My law and have profaned My holy things; they have made no distinction between the holy and the profane, and they have not taught the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they hide their eyes from My sabbaths, and I am profaned among them..." Violence is done to the Law, by stating it is no longer valid, and is it not amazing that there is nothing new under the sun, the priests continue to neglect teaching the difference between the clean and the unclean. Jesus said in Matt 5:17, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. Don't even think He came to abolish the law! I would have to agree with EdB on one thing and that is that Paul answers the question for me as well, I really like the scripture this post is listed under, this is one that many use to give hearty approval to eating unclean animals, when in fact it says exactly the opposite. In 1Tim. 4:5 , Paul states that it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer, “sanctified” means, “set apart”, Please also note in verse 3 he is speaking of “foods”, It doesn’t take to much study to find out what has been set apart for food ( to be received) and what has been set apart as not for food ( to be abhorred) in God’s word. Understanding it in this manner does no violence to God's Word, it is in harmony with the Old Testament. Another warning is found in Is 66:17"Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens, Following one in the center, Who eat swine's flesh, detestable things and mice, Will come to an end altogether," declares the LORD. There are a lot of sick people in the world that have been eating things that they should not have been eating. This may be why some have chosen to eat unclean animals in moderation, rather than believing God's Word and obeying the Law. God offers life, health and a blessing for keeping His Word, and death and a curse for turning away our ears from His Law. Ex 23:2 "You shall not follow the masses in doing evil, nor shall you testify in a dispute so as to turn aside after a multitude in order to pervert justice;..." I hope this helps you in your understanding, wordoer |
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2 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | Makarios | 103795 | ||
Greetings Wordoer, Just how would you handle these passages: "And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)" Matthew 7:18-19 [NASB] "Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience' sake; FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD'S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS." 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 Therefore, we can eat pig, pork or any kind of meat without believing that we are in some way "violating" Leviticus 11. - Makarios |
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3 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | wordoer | 103800 | ||
Hello Makarios, You ask how would I handle these passages; "And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)" Matthew 7:18-19 [NASB] I would handle it with care, to be true to the Word and be in the context of the whole of scripture, by taking all of scripture. Ps 119:160 The sum of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting. Shin. It is hard to deny what is taught in Lev. 11, and Deut. 14, you can't twist it any way to make it say that God allows for His people to eat unclean animals. As I stated with the reference I gave, it does no violence to the Word of God. Nor will this explanation do violence to God's word. It makes it easier for me to find if you give the correct location of the verse! Mark 7:18 And He *said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, Mark 7:19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.) I don't know what the problem is really, This has nothing to do with unclean animals. I'll do the best I can in explaining it, since you think it is pertinent. This scripture comes after the Pharisees have asked Jesus why His Disciples are not following the tradition of the elders, the washing of hands, Jesus called them hypocrites, neglecting the commandment of God to hold to the traditions. So The problem for the Pharisees was that the Disciples were not going through all the ritual prescribed by the "tradition of the elders" ( which are not Biblical writings), that apparently teach that a man would be defiled if he didn't do the ritual proper. The add on in parenthesis stating all foods to be clean, I would have to agree with because I stated before that the clean animals were for "food" and the unclean animals were not for "food". Are you having trouble understanding this? "Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience' sake; FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD'S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS." 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 Again this is out of context, you would have to assume "swines flesh", was being sold in the meat market, for this to have any relevance. In context, the scripture is dealing with "meat" sacrificed to idols, and not to offend another by eating it. There were a lot of superstitious people back then, just like today. You say: "Therefore, we can eat pig, pork or any kind of meat without believing that we are in some way "violating" Leviticus 11." You are saying that "swines flesh" is for food, and that would not be violating Lev.11,and Deut.14? That sounds double-minded to me. I also noticed you did not mention 1Timothy chapter 4, Do you agree with me on the points I made previously concerning those verses? wordoer |
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4 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | stjones | 103817 | ||
Greetings, wordoer; In Mark 7:18-19, Jesus specifically mentioned eating, not hand-washing. And he specifically said "all" foods, not ceremonially clean foods. He said these things twice (earlier in v. 14-15). Jesus drove home his point in v. 20-23: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.'" Given Jesus' own explanation, it is clear that he talked about food - not hand-washing - because that's what he meant. Your reference to 1 Tim 4 was very helpful. Writing about false teachers, Paul said "They ... order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer." (v. 3-5) Note the unqualified words "everything" and "nothing." The key is not what goes into the consumer's stomach but what was in his heart to begin with. This helps to put your objection to Makarios' use of 1 Cor 10:25-26 in context. Earlier (v. 18-21), Paul wrote about participating in both pagan feasts and the Lord's Table. His objection was not to the food but to the context: "the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons." (v. 21) Paul then expands on this idea by first stating our freedom in Christ: "'Everything is permissible' - but not everything is beneficial. 'Everything is permissible' - but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others." (v. 23-24) It is in this context that he writes in verses 25-26 that there is no prohibition against specific foods. The food isn't the problem; the consumer's intent is the problem. In the next section, Paul returns to the subject of meat sacrificed to idols: "If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you, 'This has been offered in sacrifice,' then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake - the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours...." (v. 27-29) Given what Paul wrote in 1 Tim 4:3-5, it is clear that it is the intent, not the species, that matters. The sacrificed meat is to be avoided because to eat it is would be to participate in the unbeliever's intent, that is "to be participants with demons". This may do no harm to the believer: "If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?" (v. 30) But (closing the loop with v. 24) eating the meat and participating in the unbeliever's intent would work against "the good of others"; that is, it would encourage the other's unbelief and set a bad example for other believers. Add to this Peter's vision in Acts 10, and the message is very clear. Eating pork (or rattlesnake, or shrimp) can't make a believer unclean because there are no unclean foods. Jesus, Paul, and God himself speaking to Peter in his vision said so. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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5 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | Makarios | 104223 | ||
Excellent post, Steve! Your Brother in Christ, Makarios |
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6 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | stjones | 104262 | ||
Thanks, Makarios; I appreciate your taking the time to say so. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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