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1 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85867 | ||
Interesting, I am in agreement with the statement that I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. I was a sinner, but now I am saved. Paul knew he was forgiven and made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. This message is not obsolete but a very present truth. If this is the best this writer can do to try and paint Joyce as a false prophet he is not doing a good job. As a matter of fact I am finding more fault with the few statements of the writer than with Joyce. "'Like others in the Word-Faith camp who are uneducated, untrained and unskilled in doctrine and systematic theology" What constitutes "educated, trained and skilled in doctrine and systematic theology?" Fishermen? or those that attend the Univiersities of the writers liking? If the authors of the doctrine were untrained, unskilled, and uneducated, then we have no right to demand such from the readers or preachers. The bereans searched the scriptures to see if these things were so. I recommend the writer of the article do the same. 1 Corinthians 6:10-11 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. All Joyce is saying, is that we are all sinners in the sense that we have all sinned, but if you are born again and a partaker of the divine nature you have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lusts, God does not look at you as a sinner but as Cleansed by the Blood of Christ and God calls you the righteousness of God in Christ. If God says that about me, who am I to argue against God and call myself a miserable sinner. Yes I was, and at times I feel like I still am, but I am not, I am a new man in Christ, born again and forgiven, my sins are removed as far as the east is from the west and Most born again saints do believe this. So if the writer thinks that those that dare call themselves the righteousness of God in Christ are false teachers, then he has condemned the whole church as I know it. This type of rhetoric, comparing Joyce with the false prophets of Zech 13 is as extreme as any extremism he accuses Joyce of. And so he will be judged with the same judgement he dishes out. His lack of grace toward a fellow saint only prooves his sainthood is questionable. His interpretation of what Joyce meant is in error. I have heard her preach many times that her teaching or any other teaching of man is not divinely inspired as the Word is. This writer is simply leaping on a poor choice of words to try and say Joyce is meaning something beyond what she said. This writer is Lutheran? My wife grew up in a Lutheran church, not trying to say they are all alike but the one where she grew up, she never knew anyone that was saved. When she was born again she had to leave the Lutheran Church. In the church she attended the Sunday School teacher taught teen girls it was ok to get abortions. I can get an idea why this pastor might be so surprised by this teaching. The church my wife went to knew nothing about being born again. They were sinners alright. Just as much as anyone else. They liked keeping their faith private and they did a good job, as far as she could tell they did not have any. I have hung around with Lutherans,and I have hung around with saints that attend Joyce Meyer's meetings. Give me the Joyce fans anyday, they are definitly saved and on the way to heaven. I could not see any fruit of that in the Lutheran Church. Don't be offended by my statements, they are simply the observation of one Lutheran Church (or a few others I have come in contact with in my life) I am sure there are some out there that are different. And my point is simply that I can find much more doctrinal error in the Lutheran Churches I came in contact with than in Meyer's. How about the Lutheran Pastor that tells a grieving couple he will not bury their baby because the baby was not baptized? Let us use righteous judgement and walk in Love. Someone asked about modern Pharisees or Scribes who are guilty of the error Jesus warned us against, I think it is these type of debate mongers, and cult watchers that fit the description. They strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. |
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2 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Hank | 85902 | ||
Scribe writes, "Give me the Joyce fans anyday, they are definitely saved and on the way to heaven." ..... I really must be getting older than I realize, because I'm no longer able to run biblical references with the speed and skill that once I knew. I can't even find "fans" (in the sense of enthusiasts) in my complete concordance, much less "Joyce fans." I tried looking up a reference that provided even the palest clue to who these Joyce fans might be who are definitely saved and on their way to heaven. But I failed. Perhaps it's a new wrinkle that has appeared in Scripture since I was a young lad of fourteen who was saved, not by being a Joyce fan, but by the blood of Jesus Christ shed on the cross. --Hank | ||||||
3 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85906 | ||
I am simply saying that I have been around those that enjoy the teaching of Joyce Meyers, I know many of them, I have seen their daily lives, all of the ones I know of live holy lives and are full of the fruits of being saved, Love, joy, peace, holiness, purity etc. I have also been around many Lutherans as this writer that declares Joyce to be a false teacher teaching doctrines of demons.. Of all the Lutherans that I have been around, none of them were born again, none of them ever read the bible or had a clue what real doctrine was, whether it related to the descension of Christ into the lower parts of the earth or any other doctrine. ( I am sure there are Lutherans that do know doctrine but the ones I know do not) So it is not fair for me to paint with a broad brush all Lutherans just becuase all the one I know are dead in their sins going through the motions of church attendance but little else, neither is it fair to call Joyce a false teacher because she taught that certain things probably occurred during that time that she has now recanted. I look more at the fruit of peoples lives to tell if their doctrine is correct. May God bless you as you study His word. | ||||||
4 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Hank | 85911 | ||
Scribe writes: "I look more at the fruit of peoples lives to tell if their doctrine is correct." ..... The Bereans "searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." (Acts 17:11). "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:15). The only infallible guide for the Christian faith and practice is God-breathed Scripture. It is profitable for doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16). The way men lead their lives is a poor standard by which to measure doctrine. I have known men who presented an outward appearance of moral uprightness, generosity, and kindness. But some were cult members, some agnostics, others atheists. Their lives were a singularly poor yardstick by which to measure whether their "doctrine" was correct. ...... One more point, if I may. How is it possible to look at a Lutheran and know for sure that he is "dead in his sins"? The way I see it, if one views it as unfair to call Joyce Meyer a false teacher, then it seems unfair to come down so hard on the poor Lutherans. Showing that Joyce Meyer teaches false doctrine is fairly easy. Showing that Lutherans, even if you limit them to the ones you know, are dead in their sins would, I submit, be considerably more difficult. To say that Joyce Meyer teaches false doctrine is not judging her salvation but evaluating her teaching. To say that "all Lutherans I know are dead in their sins" is not an evaluation of their teaching but a judgment call concerning their salvation. I surely believe that you did not really mean it so harshly as that. --Hank | ||||||
5 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Radioman2 | 85917 | ||
Hank: You make a good point when you write: "The way I see it, if one views it as unfair to call Joyce Meyer a false teacher, then it seems unfair to come down so hard on the poor Lutherans." ____________________ "Why are you dividing the Body this way? Why are you attacking Christians? These people love the Lord." [This is a question that, in various forms, I have repeatedly been asked, especially when I dare to question the teachings of certain TV preachers and others who end up teaching things that are a bit bizarre and weird. --Radioman2] 'If you've been around for a while and understand the issue of tactics here--especially the suicide tactic-- you notice that this objection immediately defeats itself because this person is calling me on the air and publicly telling me that I am wrong for speaking on the air about other people who are wrong. In other words, they are accusing me of doing the very thing that they are in the process of doing.' ____________________ "Christian:" A Sound or a Word? by Gregory Koukl This post is an excerpt from the above commentary. To read more go to: (http://www.str.org) |
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6 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85961 | ||
Maybe I should debate this man on the air? | ||||||