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1 | Can you please explain tithing? | Deut 14:1 | jlpangilinan | 163291 | ||
Jeff, are you saying that tithe (ten percent) are still requirements for Christians. Did Jesus require us to give ten percent or whatever puposes of the heart? 2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. God bless, |
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2 | Can you please explain tithing? | Deut 14:1 | jlhetrick | 163313 | ||
Hello jl, No, I wasn't saying that, but I do believe it so I'll say it now. My response was to lisandra's question specifically asking about the tithe. But yes, I believe the tithe is still required. I haven't seen where God has changed this from a command to a "if it's in your heart do it". The verse you quote has often been used to argue out of context that God's people no longer have a responsibility to give back to God and to provide for the needs of the church at the stipulated 10 persent commanded in the Old Testament. In fact, I was once guilty of being mislead by that very verse. If you study in context though, I believe that you will discern the meaning of what the verse is saying. By the way, the verse you quoted is not Jesus speaking but Paul. So let's see what paul is really saying. Remember context. Back up a verse. 2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. So, with this in mind; 2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. Notice that the issue of tithe is not even hinted at. I believe, and have no reason not to believe, that Paul and his audience in Corinth did not question the responsibility to follow the command of God by tithing. Why would we assume that paul is presenting argument that the tithe is no longer commanded???? The passage goes on to encourage by showing how God "is able" to bless the "sowing". As we continue in the passage it would appear that Paul is not referring to the tithe, but rather, "liberal giving". This would insinuate giving above the tithe (see verse 13). But you did ask, "did Jesus require us to give ten percent..." Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE. (emphasis added, not intended as YELLING). hope this helps explain my position. By the way, Do you believe christians are required to tithe. If not, can you support your position with scripture? with love, Jeff |
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3 | Can you please explain tithing? | Deut 14:1 | jlpangilinan | 163340 | ||
Jeff, I believed that Christian is no longer required to give ten percent, but then I do not say that I am against giving in the way of love offering. If someone love to give half of his earning, or whatever part of it, it is acceptable to God, what I mean is no one required someone to give ten percent. Bible taught that tithing is very part of the law, and according to apostle paul it will not justified us: Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Did tithe or ten percent are really part of the law? Yes. The first Mosaic law on this subject is recorded in Le 27:30-32. Subsequent legislation regulated the destination of the tithes (Nu 18:21-24,26-28; De 12:5-6,11,17; 14:22-23). The paying of the tithes was an important part of the Jewish religious worship. In the days of Hezekiah one of the first results of the reformation of religion was the eagerness with which the people brought in their tithes (2Ch 31:5-6). And According to paul it will not justified us. Maybe you can explain to me that tithe is not part of the law? Please answer: Let me quote that verse you used: Lu 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Christ said in that verse, that we must not leave the other undone? Right? What else of the law did you observed aside from tithing? Did you stone your brethren if you caught them in the act of adultery, did you not eat pork? Did you observe not to go out in the day of Sabbath? If you are not observing those laws and observe only the tithe which is part of it, it is the same that you leave the other undone! Then Christ will call us hypocrites! Please answer: My other argument, is that in new testament, Christ did not require His disciples to give tithe to Him or either the disciple require their members to give tithe to them, aside from that they specified of whom which have the authority to received tithes. Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Levi, have a commandment to take tithes, according to the law, they come from loins of Abraham, did your pastors came from loins of Abraham? I still have more proof to argue about tithes, maybe we settle things, first then continue further God bless, |
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4 | Can you please explain tithing? | Deut 14:1 | jlhetrick | 163365 | ||
Hello jl, Thanks for responding. Unfortunately you presented nothing more than your belief and offered nothing that even suggests that the tithe is no longer commanded by God. Let me attempt to address your post in the order that you laid it down. First you write: that “what I mean is no one required someone to give ten percent.” My response: The answer to your statement that no one required is, God required (please refer to my previous post for scriptural support). You write that the tithe was a part of the law and does not justify us. I agree, your on track here. At no point have I argued that we are justified by following any commands of God. We are justified by faith in Christ alone. Please study the book of Romans for understanding. You ask me to explain that the tithe is not part of the law. This confuses me as I have already argued that the tithe is a command from God. Anything that God commands is part of His law. Regarding your reference to my quoting Luke 11:42 I am still not sure of your point. Are you trying to insinuate that I was teaching that paying your tithe relieves you from the responsibility of obeying God in all areas?????? This is not my position at all and I’m not sure why you might have drawn that conclusion. Regarding Jesus and the disciples not requiring believers to tithe “to them”. I think you have missed the point completely. We do not tithe to any person, but to God. Again, referring back to my previous post I pointed out that the tithe was a well established part of God’s law at that time and practiced without question (though I am sure there were those then, as now, who did not obey it fully as they did not obey other commandments). The tithe is made to God. It is “received”, or “taken” by those that God has entrusted leadership over His people. Again, as I mentioned previously, in the OT this was the tribe of Levite, after the finished work of Christ, it is the church. Regarding the passages in Hebrews, I continue to believe you are missing the point. Lets look at it. Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. What is being said here? This is the basic teaching of Christianity. The law here is referring to the whole economy of the time if you will. That is, where tithing was concerned it was commanded, it recognized that all they had came from God in the first place, it served to provide for the needs of the Levites who did not have the option of doing other works to provide for their sustenance. Secondly, the passage is making reference to the sacrificial system by which the people of God made atonement. This served two purpose generally speaking. It demonstrated the requirement of death as the penalty for sin and it pointed to the need for a sacrifice and to the Savior to come. Heb. 7:11 is rhetorical. Many believe that Paul wrote this book and this verse is a good representation of Paul’s way of presenting his point by anticipating the question his reader might ask. “If perfection were by the Levitical priesthood...” We know it wasn’t, “what further need was there that another priest should rise...” We know there was the need. So what change in the law is Paul referring too? Is it the Ten Commandments, the tithe, etc.? I don’t believe so. Is it the law as it pertains to the system of sacrifice which was established by God and required of the people before the coming of the Savior? I say yes. And this answer is supported by the wider teachings of scripture in context. There is no other teaching I have found that suggest that any other law of God has been abolished. You argue that the tithe was part of the law and I agreed. Jesus said: Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Paul said: Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Hope this was helpful, in love, Jeff |
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5 | Can you please explain tithing? | Deut 14:1 | jlpangilinan | 163398 | ||
Jeff, I think we should refresh all my question to prove that tithe is not requirements in the new testament. If may I suggest we keep this discussion as a question and answer type so we can continue clear in both part. Question: As tithe as part of the law it will not justify us why keep doing the things that will not justify you? Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Please answer. Question: How many laws of moses did you keep observing? Stoning to death your brethren if you caught them in adultery, not eating pork, not going out on Sabbath what else? If you are not doing those things of the law, and only keep the tithe which is part of the law, it is the same that leave the other undone. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Please answer. Question: What is it in the tithe that it was excluded to other part of the law, if do not continue other things which is part of the law why keep doing tithe (ten percent) Please answer. As of now I have only three point to answer, please answer them, then we can continue further. God bless, |
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6 | Can you please explain tithing? | Deut 14:1 | jlhetrick | 163605 | ||
Hello again jl, I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you, I've been really busy with work and the Holiday prep. and all. I too often give impulsive responses and I would rather not do that here. Especially with a subject that I began my first post by advising that I am not an authority on the subject of tithes. When I have time I will respond to this post and if you are still interested we can take up the dialogue. P.S. I just wanted to remind you of the forum rule and the legal issue of quoting the works of others. Don't forget to make reference to your source when you directly quote another's work (i.e., Easton's Bible Dictionary) Sincerely, Jeff |
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