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1 | Did other churches use intruments | Eph 5:19 | mdub105 | 167526 | ||
Hello! This is Marcus again concerning the church of christ. Were there other churches that used instruments and did God approved of that and did God allow them to enter into the Kingdom? Thanks | ||||||
2 | Did other churches use intruments | Eph 5:19 | kalos | 167579 | ||
Utter rejection of instrumental music in worship is quite mistaken. 'STATEMENT DC600 'The Churches of Christ, The Christian Churches, The Disciples of Christ '...On the basis that they are not mentioned in the New Testament, most of the Churches of Christ (COC) reject the use of musical instruments in church services. (...) 'The key to Restorationism is the teaching that only by abandoning every theological system and religious practice not found explicitly in the Bible can true Christianity be realized and Christian unity be achieved. As innocent and even “biblical” as this approach to Christian unity may sound, in our estimation it is seriously flawed in its understanding of Scripture. The Bible itself never suggests that Christians reject whatever is not found within its pages. Rather, it forbids adding anything to Scripture that would contradict Scripture (Matt. 15:6) or that would imply that Scripture was not itself an adequate guide to salvation and the Christian life (2 Tim. 3:16-17). Theological doctrines which are not firmly rooted in Scripture should not, we agree, be accepted by the church; on this point we agree with the COC and the NACC. But this does not mean that Christians should not use extrabiblical terminology like “Trinity,” “canon,” or even “Bible,” none of which contradict the scriptures and each of which is in fact an expression of biblical truth. Furthermore, in the area of religious practices, whatever the Bible does not forbid (explicitly or implicitly) is not to be condemned or marked as less than Christian. In other words, the Restorationists' motto, “Where the Scriptures speak, we speak; where the scriptures are silent, we are silent,” is actually violated when they speak against those things which Scripture neither mentions nor condemns explicitly or implicitly. (...) 'The rejection of instrumental music in church is another matter in which moderates simply choose to adhere to the principle while extremists make it an essential doctrine. Opponents of the use of instrumental music in worship have noted that instruments were not used in worship until the late Middle ages, and that so respected a Protestant theologian as John Calvin denounced the use of instrumental music in church. However, this historical argument gives no real weight to their position on instrumental music. ... As for the biblical argument, at best it is fallacious (since it is based merely on the silence of the New Testament) and at worst actually contrary to the New Testament. The apostle Paul specifically approved the use of “psalms” in church worship (1 Cor. 14:26; cf. Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16); and the word accompanied by musical instruments. Admittedly, it can refer to noninstrumental singing as well, but there is no reason to restrict its meaning to exclude all use of instruments. It is also true that the word is used with reference to the Old Testament book of Psalms; but since those psalms were generally sung with instruments, this usage confirms the basic meaning of the word. Therefore, the utter rejection of instrumental music in worship is quite mistaken, even though so great a theologian as Calvin made this mistake...' ____________________ To read more go to: www.equip.org/free/DC600.htm |
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3 | Lev. 10:1-2, Shouldn't we hesitate to | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167585 | ||
Dear brother kalos, I am sure it will come as no surprise that I disagree with your staement regarding the use of instruments in worship. Please allow me to state however that I am not one of those who believe it is a salvation issue as a general statement. Allow me to explain something about the word psalms. As you referenced it, each time the word psalms is used it is a reference to the book of psalms, context tells us this. Second you spoke of the definition of psalms but what you may not realize is that this is the greek word used during the translation of the hebrew Bible into the greek septuagent(circa 250 bc I believe). However, the actual hebrew title is Tehillim meaning praises. I respectfully would like to understand your view point so I would like to ask this question, considering the example of Nadab and Abihu found in Lev 10 which I think you would agree was an atempt to worship God, shouldn't we hesitate to offer to God what He hasn't asked for, especially when, like the recipe for incense,He has said to sing apparently indicating that pleases HIm? |
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4 | Lev. 10:1-2, Shouldn't we hesitate to | Eph 5:19 | kalos | 167589 | ||
'...in the area of religious practices, whatever the Bible does not forbid (explicitly or implicitly) is not to be condemned or marked as less than Christian. In other words, the Restorationists' motto, “Where the Scriptures speak, we speak; where the scriptures are silent, we are silent,” is actually violated when they speak against those things which Scripture neither mentions nor condemns explicitly or implicitly.' 'As for the biblical argument, at best it is fallacious (since it is based merely on the silence of the New Testament)...' TO READ MORE GO TO: www.equip.org/free/DC600.htm |
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5 | Lev. 10:1-2, Shouldn't we hesitate to | Eph 5:19 | Morant61 | 167595 | ||
Greetings Kalos! The arguement from silence is a very dangerous one. :-) Think of all the things in the church that are not specifically commanded. We uses furnances and airconditioners. We drive cars to church. We sit in pews or chairs. We listen to a sermon. We wear suits. The list could go on and on of things that we do in church that are not specifically commanded. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Lev. 10:1-2, Shouldn't we hesitate to | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167682 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, For the record I am talking about the acts of worship scripture details them. I do not wear a suit as an act of worshipor drive a car ect, as part of my acts of worship. The Sermon could be included as an act of worship. In Christian Love, Dan |
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7 | Lev. 10:1-2, Shouldn't we hesitate to | Eph 5:19 | Morant61 | 167695 | ||
Greetings Dan! I hope you get my point my friend! What time do you meet for worship? Where does Scripture command that time? How long do you worship? If we were to break down your worship service, I am sure that we could find numerous things that are not explicitly commanded in Scripture. :-) This is why the argument from silence simply doesn't work. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Lev. 10:1-2, Shouldn't we hesitate to | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167787 | ||
Greetings Tim, I am afraid that I might get yelled at for responding Tim and I want to emphasize I am not trying to debate but just express my side. The points you give do not address what I am speaking of. The place to worship is no longer of consequence because of what Jesus tells the woman at the well(John4:21-24). Otherwise temple worship in Jerusalem would still be enforce.The scripture also gives us many examples of time though most tend to occur at night. The point would be that the time would not change the content of what we offer as worship. I desire to worship God and to have that worship be acceptable and pleaseing to Him. It is my heart -felt belief that the best way to do this is to offer to Him only what He has asked for in worship. I believe to offer more is contrary to His wishes.It is sometimes hard enough to "sing with the spirit and with the understanding"1cor14:15. The old adage you refered to is actually a Biblical principal that runs through out both the old and new, num24:12, 11peter3:1-2, Rev22:18-19, to name a few. The best reference I think is math15 where Jesus is confronted by the scribes and pharisees.The Jews are upholding what is not spoken in scripture as equal or more important than the words of God and it is still that way today. The Talmud which is the now written oral traditions has an equal or higher authority than scripture. This is what Jesus condemned. Thank you for your consideration and time but I doubt either of us will change our minds so let us agree to disagree. In Christian Love Dan |
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