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1 | Disciples One With Christ? | Eph 2:5 | Val | 206608 | ||
Dear bowler, many places in the bible it is said that only God and God alone knows the intentions of a man's heart. Because He does have this insight that no human has it would be impossible to say when the disciples had a definitive event. The bible teaches that if a person is in the faith, the evidence of that is that he will continue in the faith. We know from reading the bible that Judas appeared to be in Christ but actually was not. Since we can only observe the otherward appearance, it would appear that when Jesus called each disciple individually and that one obeyed by dropping what they were doing and following Christ, from our limited point of view that would have been the "definitive event". However, again since only God can rightly judge the heart, it is not possible for us to judge one another because we are only human. There will be many people in heaven who we would not have thought would be there and some may be surprised to see us there. In saying all this we do know that Christ called some as apostles and we have the written word as evidence. However, as to a definitive moment, I would say only God knows. Gen 18:25 "Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?" |
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2 | Disciples One With Christ? | Eph 2:5 | bowler | 206625 | ||
Val I appreciate your thoughts greatly, thank you. I like what you say about "dropping what they were doing and following Christ" there. You make a good point there as a possibility of being the "definitive event". You got me to musing about at what point the disciples understood that Jesus was God and wondering if it is possible to be said to be calling Him "Lord" in the sense that we take that to mean now. They called Him Lord, but did not understand at all points until the end what exactly that meant as Jesus being "God". They knew for sure He was master for a long time before they figured out He was God. I am trying to tell myself that it is somehow truly not possible be in Christ without understanding that He was God? But perhaps my thinking on this is way off as the disciples seem to display a saving faith before He died and rose again? The church did not begin until Pentecost, the work of Christ by believers began before Pentecost. Just a thought there without a point to make specifically. I agree fully that we cannot know based on outward observance when someone has come to Christ for real. blessings abound, bowler |
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