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1 | Created "in " Christ Jesus | Eph 2:10 | Morant61 | 132095 | ||
Greetings J. Elkins! It is good to hear back from you my friend. I had forgotten about this thread. I have posted so many times on this issue already, so I'll try to limit my comments. :-) You wrote: "The baptismal measure of the HS enabled the Apostles (1) to establish the church (as prophesied, to the Jews first, then to the Gentiles); (2) to confirm with miracles that their words were from God; (3) to maintain the integrity of the church by giving to the early Christians via laying on of their hands 9 miraculous gifts of the HS (1 Cor 12; Acts 8; Acts 19) (nobody got all 9 of the gifts) -- there is no indication anyone else had the power to pass the gifts on -- Stephen had to call the Apostles to do it (Acts 8); and (4) then to write the Bible through inspiration [the perfect (complete) knowledge and prophecy of 1 Cor 13]. The Apostles died. The miraculous abilities went away. Today, we have the HS through the inspired written Word. Paul says to Timothy in II Tim 3:16-17 that the scripture is all we need. He said he had not shunned to declare the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27)." This is simply speculation my friend. There is not a single verse that limits the Holy Spirit to the Apostles. There is not a single verse that say the gifts would cease with the complete of the canon. In fact, Acts 2:38 specifically says of the gift of the Holy Spirit: "Peter replied, 'Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.'" Where does this passage say, 'This gift is for the Apostles only until they finish writing the Bible'? ;-) The text is quite clear that it is for 'all whom the Lord our God will call'. You also wrote: "To say the baptism of the HS was for all is to read into scripture something that is not there." Isn't that exactly what Acts 2:38-39 says? Yet, when the Cornelius example doesn't fit your theology, you insist that it had to have happened other than how it actually says in Scripture. The Scripture does not say that Cornelius repented, was baptized, and then received the gift of the Holy Spirit (per your understanding of Acts 2:38). Rather, it says that he received the gift of the Holy Spirit and was then baptized in water. As I pointed out in Scritpure, no one who is not a Christian can receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. So, we can assume all we want about Cornelius, but the text is quite clear my friend. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Created "in " Christ Jesus | Eph 2:10 | jelkins | 133031 | ||
Post 2 of 3. Regarding number 4 in post 1 of 3. Scripture teaches salvation comes by the Spirit but it also teaches salvation comes by the Word. Compare John 3:8 [“The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit”] with I Peter 1:22-23 [“Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit … having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever.”] Rom 1:16: “for it [the gospel – (the word)] is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes.” More on how the HS regenerates us – directly, or through medium (the water and the word). John 3:5, “…unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” Again, John 3:8, “…So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” James 1:18, “Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth…” Rom 1:16: “for it [the gospel – (the word)] is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes.” Titus 3:5, “…He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit…” Eph 5:26, “…that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word.” 1 Cor 3:16-17, Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. 1 Cor 6:19, Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? Again, from I Peter 1, “… having been born again…through the word of God” Col 3:16, “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly…” Psalms119:11, “Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You.” 1 Thes 5:19, Quench not the Spirit. 1 John 5:8, And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. 1 Peter 3:21, “…baptism doth also now save us…” My conclusion from studying these verses and more is that the Spirit dwells in a Christian to the extent that he lets the word of God dwell in him. There is power in the Word. “…and the Word was God.” (John 1:1) For your consideration, I offer this quote: “There are two schools of thought: there are those who are of the persuasion that man is born again or begotten by the word of God, then there are those that are born again or begotten by the Spirit. I know of no way of harmonizing the two views but by attributing regeneration to the agency of the Spirit and the instrumentality of the truth.” (J. M. Pendleton, “Christian Doctrine.” Also the author of a Baptist Manual used by Baptist Churches.) |
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