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1 | Created "in " Christ Jesus | Eph 2:10 | Morant61 | 130926 | ||
Greetings Jelkins! You wrote: "Before Jesus ascended, he told the 11 Apostles to wait in Jerusalem for the power. Earlier he had said he would send the Comforter to bring to their minds everything he had told them and guide them into all truth. Key: This promise is to no one but the Apostles." Yet, notice how the phrase 'gift of the Holy Spirit' is used in Acts. Acts 10:45 says, "The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles." Yet, Acts 2:38-39 says, "Peter replied, 'Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.'" Scripture simply doesn't support your position that the Holy Spirit was just for the Apostles. Further, you said: "Acts 2:38, the gift of the HS comes to us after baptism in water. See also Acts 19:1-5." Yet, in Acts 10, the gift of the Holy Spirit came prior to baptism in water. Apparently, water baptism is not necessary in the sense that you think. Also, you wrote: "The example of the conversion of Cornelius’ household is consistent with all other examples of conversions in Acts. Water baptism was commanded by Jesus and obedience to the command is necessary for salvation. (At risk of sounding like a broken record, I’ll quote Heb 5:9 again, “And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him…” and I’ll call to attention II John 9.)" Yet, the example of Cornelius doesn't occur in the order you profess. They were saved first, then baptized as a result of their salvation - not as a condition of their salvation. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Created "in " Christ Jesus | Eph 2:10 | jelkins | 130974 | ||
Tim, you say "Yet, the example of Cornelius doesn't occur in the order you profess. They were saved first, then baptized as a result of their salvation - not as a condition of their salvation." Please justify your statement with scripture. Those in Cornelius' household were saved by the words Peter spoke, which included the command to be baptized in water, which to be consistent with other plain scriptures is the point at which they were saved. Based on our discussions, you must feel that you have been baptized by the Holy Spirit. Were the manifestations of your baptism the same as those recorded in Acts 2 and Acts 10/11? Contending for the Faith. J Elkins |
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3 | Created "in " Christ Jesus | Eph 2:10 | Morant61 | 130980 | ||
Greetings J. Elkins! This is a quite simple request! :-) Acts 10 makes it clear that Cornelius, and those with him, at received the gift of the Holy Spirit. John 14:15-17 says, "‘‘If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you." An unbeliever cannot receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. John is quite clear that the world does not know him, but that He dwells within believers. Therefore, Cornelius, and those with him, were already saved prior to be baptized in water. p.s. - How about addressing the rest of my points in my previous post? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Created "in " Christ Jesus | Eph 2:10 | jelkins | 132073 | ||
Your quote is of Jesus’ words to the Apostles. In John chapters 13 through 17, John recorded what Jesus told the chosen 12 during the Passover meal they shared together, commonly known as the “last supper.” The text in Acts 10 does not say Cornelius, et al, were saved prior to water baptism. I have addressed the points mentioned in your postscript. Will post it next. |
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