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1 | Theological Term: Election | Eph 1:4 | telegrammy | 167612 | ||
when peter said 'elect to the foreknowlege of God' I believe that means that the Holy spirit draws each person,, some will harden their hearts and some will be drawn to Jesus.. God knew which ones would accept Jesus before the foundation of the world and they are the ones who are called the elect of God according to his foreknowlege.. | ||||||
2 | Theological Term: Election | Eph 1:4 | DocTrinsograce | 167613 | ||
Hi, Telegrammy... You are not alone. Your view is a common one among modern evangelicals. It is called "foreseen faith" or sometimes "goodness in intent." It is not shared by Protestant orthodoxy. From my own tradition, the old divines wrote "God's effectual call is the outcome of His free and special grace alone. Until a man is given life, and renewed by the Holy Spirit, he is dead in sins and trespasses, so is entirely passive in this work of salvation, a work that does not proceed from anything good foreseen in him, nor from any power or agency resident in him. The power that enables him to answer God's call and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, is no less than that which effected the resurrection of Christ from the dead. (John 5:25; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 1:19-20; 2:5,8; 2 Timothy 1:9)." (1689 LBCF, chapter 10, paragraph 2) Dr. Wayne Grudem, in his Systematic Theology writes, "If we assume that God’s knowledge of the future is true (which evangelicals all agree upon), then it is absolutely certain that person #1 will believe and person #2 will not. There is no way their lives could turn out differently than this. Therefore it is more than fair to say that their destinies are still determined, for they could not be otherwise. The question is, by what are their destinies determined? If God Himself determines them then we no longer have election based on foreseen faith, but rather on God’s sovereign will. But if God does not determine their destinies then who or what determines them? Of course no Christian would say that there is some powerful being other than God controlling people’s destinies. Therefore the only possible alternative is to say they are determined by some impersonal force, some kind of fate, operative in the universe, making things turn out as they do. But of what benefit is this? We have then sacrificed election in love by a personal and compassionate God for a kind of determinism by an impersonal force and God is no longer to be given the ultimate credit for our salvation." You can read a more detailed excerpt at: http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/misunderstandings.html The reality of the universe and God's work in it does not lend itself to being fully grasped by human beings. God is Sovereign and man has a free will. We cannot reconcile these things by redefining Biblical terminology. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Theological Term: Election | Eph 1:4 | telegrammy | 167615 | ||
man has free will to reject or accept Gods gift,(as the holy spirit draws them), and God knew before the foundation of the world who would accept or reject.. the ones who would accept are the elect.. It seems like a sensible reconciliation of the two doctrines.. | ||||||
4 | Theological Term: Election | Eph 1:4 | DocTrinsograce | 167618 | ||
Hi, Telegrammy... Sensible, perhaps... but the verity of the truth of God does not depend on man's ability to make sense of it (1 Corinthians 2:13; 2 Timothy 4:3). We build doctrine based on everything that the Word of God says on a particular topic (Titus 1:9). This is one of the reasons that participants in the forum are encouraged to make every effort to base their assertions on Scripture. All Scripture is breathed out by God [is inspired in a verbal plenary sense] and profitable for teaching [to eliminate ignorance], for reproof [to deal with disobedience], for correction [to eliminate error], and for training in righteousness [to habituate obedience]. (2 Timothy 3:16) You might be interested in post #150812 on the logical order of the decrees of God. The various theological positions are represented there, including your own Arminian position. In Him, Doc |
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5 | how do I find post #150812 | Eph 1:4 | telegrammy | 167621 | ||
how do I find post #150812 | ||||||
6 | how do I find post #150812 | Eph 1:4 | DocTrinsograce | 167622 | ||
Dear Telegrammy, There is a box on the right side of the screen. It says "Search" in red letters with a gold background. Under that it says "Word(s) or ID#." Enter the digits there and click the "Search" button. In Him, Doc |
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