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1 | Male-female equality? | Gal 3:28 | justme | 91289 | ||
Cascade: I hope you take my wword, that I do not offer appologies in jest. I did not feel anything was a waste of time. I do sincerely hope we have mended some wounds. I will say I a seem to be quite sensitive to hearing wifes treated a s door matts. I lothe tha fact that women for the most part are still treated as second class Christians in many churches today. I am not supportive of any agenda to amy womans movement. I an trying to elevate women as Jesus did Himself. If it were not for Godly women the church would be in leadership shambles. I don't think I have evercoome accross so strongly before. Perhaps because of being so ill I made a knee jerk reaction to your note, You seem to be able to ride through the hard notes, I do hope this opens further dialogue. Blessings. justme |
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2 | Male-female equality? | Gal 3:28 | RElderCascade | 91342 | ||
I do hope you get better, if I were fighting out a tough physical ordeal like you are in I wouldn't want anyone to treat me other than they would if I was well. I don't think that church leadership needs to take a second place to the demands of scripture, no matter what the state of our current (uncultured) culture is. But I see some strong evidence to needing women's help with the leadership of our churches. We must not give in to that temptation. The bible does not give us that option. While I do think that for the use of women as a temporary pupit supply (not as a called pastor) might be acceptable in some times of cultural upheaval. Like for example if all the men were off to war, or if there was some other problem that rendered the men incapacitated, as well as ungifted as a whole. This would have to be extremely rare, and I don't see the New Testament allowing it as a permanent calling in the churches any more than the creation order in Genesis did. |
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3 | Male-female equality? | Gal 3:28 | justme | 91431 | ||
Cascade: I pulled the book from our library and spent a length of time reviewing my notes. This is a rather long book 566 pages. In my opinion this is not written for the avrage church member to sit and read it and enjoy it. The author says to read the chapters one s interested in then read chapter 26. There is nothing in the book I wouls call heritical about the book. The book assumes this is the only way for "Biblical manhood and womanhood" and for every reason there might be to take a different view on any issue is incorrect. I don;t see how that allows much room for dialogue. When one states a point as being "BIBLICAL" and then gives a defence of why nothing else can be considered Biblical, that pretty much ends any way to comnent on other ways to understand their view point. I found some very excellent positive points out w I don't fully agree with. I doubt you will find too many, who totally agree with everything the book says. One area I found I did not agree was on the issue of culture. The authors felt that women staying qiuet was NOT a cultural issue, but should apply today. I do not believe that the culture of Pauls time is to be the same today. I suppose that Iran, Iraq and other countries are quite close to Pauls time. I don't know of anyone who wants or agrees with that. I reject that a woman can not teach in a congreational setting. We send woman as missionaries all over the world with no man. These wommeen do teach all the people regaurdless of sex. This subject is dealt away with on the top of page 180. The way the author does it there is no way to try and show any other way of understanding womans ministry. In the fifth paragraph down onpage 180 the author elimates any dialogue as he says "...the arguements for alternative interpretations are not convincing." What is there to say when a person believes there is no other way to understand but his? On page 184 second paragraph again he explains why in his opinon is the only way to believe, women are not to have positions of authority in the church. I am not believe in Evangelical Feminism. However I do believe we need to widen our understanding of Scripture and be able to distingush something that is cluteral from the message of Scripture in it's entiriety, within the context of the culture of the time it was written. This view is also wiped away by the author rather rapidly, and anyone with a different idea is quickly dismissed. I am not saying the book is all bad by any means. I am saying I think in a few areas there is too narrow a thinking and understanding of how deeply the Bible is written culture, and it takes extra effort to dig out and know the difference. So I would not say the book is not worth the 19.95 I payed for it in 1992. I just feel there are better ballance books I have read that in my opinion offer more for men amd women. The book has used some very good very consertive scholars. I am not advocating any agenda either for or against women in ministry. When one does a history of women in ministry, just in the United States I am reminded that without women there would be a totally different church of today. I would dare to say the majority of churches today are dependant upon women for most of childrens ministry, and in some denomations there are a number of women pastors. I am not advocating anything, I am stating the facts as there are now. I suppose if there were enough Godly men who really took the Christian life seriously and calling serve in the slghtest way, this might not be a reality. I honestly have mixed feelings about women as pastors, however there are women chaplains, and simular occupations. The proof of Gods call is confirmed by God. In Closing I could not debate the book, as much as how the authors get their understanding of what Scripture in the culture it was intended. There are some Scriptures that there is only one way to understand, and there is no room for debate. With understanding culture there is room for debate on some of the passages in the book. I hope this helps and is something for you consider. Blessings. justme |
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4 | Male-female equality? | Gal 3:28 | RElderCascade | 91482 | ||
Exegesis is thorough in this book. The contributors have not made a meely mouthed go of it. They have done the work to not leave open the opposition to their conclusions. I don't think they do that on other subjects that they write on. I have read several of them in other books. They seem to feel like this is one of those landmark times in history on the need to have these issues thought out better. I have not read all of this book, but I must say I have been impressed by everything I have seen so far. Chapter three is my favorite. I think that this strongly written book is greatly needed in our day and age in the church. Gender issues all strike right at the core of our run amuck culture. The church is not different enough and it needs the strong statements in this book. I think pragmatism is what we would fall into when we attempt to solve the relative deadness of certain churches to have adequate male leaders, and so supplant their job with women. While I comprehend that you did not say that you like this, you and I know that there has been quite a history of women leading churches and starting huge -- many cultic -- followings. I feel like just not staffing positions with anyone if there is not an qualified man. God will watch over his church, and we must follow the creation order. |
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