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1 | some people say you must speak in tongue | 1 Cor 12:4 | EdB | 144101 | ||
Ray Let's not stumble on semantics here at all. The point I'm trying to make is the upon salvation we have all that we are going to get, it then becomes of a matter of allowing God to move through us. We are told we are empowered by the Holy Spirit to be Christ's witnesses throughout the world. However if we refuse to witness it isn't because at salvation God held something back from us. The Holy Spirit resides in us, he is complete He isn't missing any attributes or abilities. The problem is our unyeildedness not that something is missing. I hope that clarifies my point. Forgive my use of the word "it" in referrence to the Holy Spirit I didn't mean His personage but rather His gifting of us. EdB |
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2 | some people say you must speak in tongue | 1 Cor 12:4 | Ray | 144118 | ||
Hi EdB, Colossians 1:27 tells us about "Christ in you, the hope of glory." Verse 28, "And we proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, that we may present every man complete in Christ. 29 And to this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me." What are the verses which speak of the Holy Spirit residing in us? From the heart, Ray |
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3 | some people say you must speak in tongue | 1 Cor 12:4 | EdB | 144139 | ||
Ray Here is just a few brief passages. Perhaps I could find more if you need. In the body of saints, as his temple 1Cor 6:19 2Cor 6:16 Promised to saints Ezek 36:27 Saints enjoy Isaiah 63:11 2Tim 1:14 Saints full of Acts 6:5 Eph 5:18 Is the means of Quickening Romans 8:11 Guiding John 16:13 Gal 5:18 Fruit bearing Gal 5:22 A proof of being Christ's Romans 8:9 1John 4:13 A proof of adoption Romans 8:15 Gal 4:5 Is abiding 1John 2:27 Those who have not are sensual Jude 1:19 Are without Christ Romans 8:9 Opposed by the carnal nature Gal 5:17 EdB |
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4 | some people say you must speak in tongue | 1 Cor 12:4 | Ray | 144180 | ||
Hi EdB, Thank you very much for your time and work in collecting these Scriptures for me. I found 1 Cor 6:16, Isa 63:11, 2 Tim 1:14, Romans 8:9 and 11, Galatians 4:5 and Jude 1:19 as speaking especially to the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. I did not find any mention of speaking in tongues in any of those references. I see glorifying God in our bodies and spirit. I see the Shepherd glorified who came into our midst. I see the Holy Spirit who dwells in us guarding the treasure that is entrusted to us. I see His Spirit who dwells in us giving life to our mortal bodies because if Christ is in us the spirit is alive. I see that God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts who cries out "Abba, Father". We as ones who have received the spirit of adoption as sons also cry out, "Abba, Father". We are sons and joint-heirs with Christ. I see no need to speak in tongues or in an unknown language to prove that you belong to Him. I see the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as something that God does in His timing and as He wills. The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we belong to Him. We don't need some sign like speaking in tongues to prove our salvation. The value of speaking in tongues would be for edification and praising God. From the heart, Ray |
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5 | some people say you must speak in tongue | 1 Cor 12:4 | EdB | 144182 | ||
Ray Did I say anything different? I never said you have to speak in tongues, nor is speaking in tongues proof of anything. What I said, is the Holy Spirit dwells in us upon salvation. At that time we have all of the Holy Spirit not part of Him. I said as we learn to yield our will to Him, He will increasingly use us. He empowers us to witness to the world. Tongues may be manifested in that goal as mentioned in Corinthians, tongues is used as a sign to the unbeliever. There is also a tongue that is used in prayer (Paul mentioned this). We Pentecostals call this our prayer language. We often yield to the Holy Spirit when we know not what we ought to pray. We allow the Holy Spirit to pray through us. I often pray in tongues in agreement with a fellow believer as he prays over the needs of an individual. This is personal and is not to be used in public. Discovering a prayer language is usually found after long and intense sessions of prayer. I know many many pastors from just about every denomination that in fact have experienced tongues in their prayer time. Many confess that they often yield to the Holy Spirit, allowing tongues to manifest during their prayers and many do this knowing their particular denomination does not recognize the manifestation. Acts teach about the gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit and only one place mentions that the manifestation will cease. That is the passage in 1 Cor 13 and the condition set there for the manifestation to cease is when the "perfect" comes. To me the only thing perfect is the God Himself and His Son. Since tongues manifested after Jesus' first coming I have to assume the reference to perfect coming is Jesus' Second Coming. You can disagree and that is okay but for me the matter is settled. I will be readily agree that much of what goes on in the church today is nothing more that emotional manifestations rather than true manifestations. However just because there are abuses I see no reason to throw the Baby out with the bath water. I also have a very grave concern that many today seek manifestation as in signs and wonders rather than seeking what they need to seek and that being the Kingdom of God. None of these things should be a mystery to any student of the scripture and the only dividing line I can possibly see is on the cessation of the gifts. Again that discussion focuses on what is the “perfect” referenced in 1 Cor 13. I have addressed my opinion of what the perfect is and my reasons for my position. I have also clearly stated of this I’m convinced and therefore there is no need for further discussion. If I can answer any honest questions I will be more than happy to make every effort to do so. But I do not intend to be drawn into the discussion of whether the gifts of the Spirit ever existed or are manifested today. I see this as a pointless discussion as I feel the Bible is very clear on the subject. EdB |
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6 | some people say you must speak in tongue | 1 Cor 12:4 | Ray | 144205 | ||
Hi EdB, We are not in disagreement here, Ed. I get carried away in my thoughts, knowing that people from many viewpoints are reading them, and I failed to stay focused on speaking to you personally. I am sorry about that. The question that I had asked you initially here, (and I hope that you view it as an honest question), is whether Pentecostals generally feel that are are filled with God Himself. Because they speak of the Gift [sic] of the Baptism [sic]. They infer that they are receiving more of God than anyone else around them is getting; or at least that is my perception of the situation. I say that not with malice or spite. Many years ago I prayed for the gift of tongues when attending a Congregational Church with a charismatic preacher. I wanted all that God had to give me; I had read some charismatic books. So even though I had a Reformed Church heritage and a preacher dad telling me that the gifts had passed away, I was open to receiving the gift of tongues. My wife had in this period of time spoken in tongues with the help of the minister. I have a brother who is attending a Pentecostal Church and speaks in tongues. So I say that I do not mean any malice. However, I still wonder what it is that we are to be filled with? Is "it" God or is it spirit [sic]? I have agreed with DocTrinsograce here for Ephesians 2:18 that we all have access in one Spirit to the Father. We are one body because of the blood of Christ shed on the cross. But the passage goes on to say that we are growing into a holy temple in the Lord; we are "being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit." Ephesians 2:22. We are told to be filled with the (s)Spirit. So it is an ongoing thing in which we are actively involved. The indwelling of the Spirit was a one-time thing at the time of our salvation (or at the time that God determined was the time). Being filled with the (I would say) spirit is more something that we are told to do. We study the word of God, are led by the Spirit to think on the things of the Spirit. We speak to others in psalms and hymns and witness because we are filled with the things of God. I think that I would phrase my viewpoint like this: I think that we should be more interested in becoming complete in Him than having Him being complete in us. From the heart, Ray |
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