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1 | Should we ask God for the gift of tongue | 1 Cor 12:11 | prayon | 111764 | ||
Hi Searcher, If Mark 16:17-18 were meant only for the 11 it would of stated so. When he was refering to the apostles he always stated "the apostles" or "the twelve". Here it says believers therefore it means all believers. If believers meant apostles it would have to mean apostles in every instance it is mentioned. If it had different meanings in 2 different passages it would violate the principles of bible interpretation. Therefore Acts 4:4 "But many of those who had heard the message became believers, so the number of men who believed grew to about 5,000", would mean that those 5000 became apostles because they all spoke with tongues. This isn't possible because it would violate 1Co 12:29 "Not all believers are apostles, are they?..." Act 2:4 "All the believers were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages as the Spirit gave them the ability to speak." This verse is referring to those in the upper room, the 3ooo were from the crowd who heard them speaking. To address your statement of the 120 speaking in known languages - These are languages that the Spirit gave them the ability to speak. If the person already knew the language why did the Holy Spirit have to give them the ability to speak them? The languages they were speaking were unknown to them but others from the crowd recognized them as their own dialects (see vs 7-12.) If they were speaking their own known languages why were they amazed and perplexed? As for the 3000, they were baptized in water as John the baptist had baptized. It does not say anywhere in the passage that they were baptixed with the Holy Spirit as it does in the 5 passages I mentioned. 2:27? Not sure if you got the right scripture here... 4:4 - Here again there is no mention of a baptism of the Holy Ghost. 8:14-17: read on to verses 18-19. Here Simon saw evidence of the Holy Ghost after Peter and John laid hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit (v 17). It is believed that the evidence that Simon saw was them speaking in tongues. 8:34-39 again speaks of a water baptism. It does not mention a baptism of the Holy Spirit. 9:4-19 As you stated he spoke in tongues later Chap 10 and 19 you agree they spoke in tongues. 16:14-15; 31-34: again speaking of a water baptism. Whenever someone was baptized with the Holy Spirit it specifically states that it was the baptism of the Holy spirit. Summary: Four out of 5 cases tongues was the initial evidence. In the 5th case tongues is alluded to. If 100 percent of the cases in Acts the initial evidence of being filled with the Spirit was tongues then tongues must be important. Mark 16:17-18: As you said these signs are to be taken together. I am going to assume that you agree that the name of Jesus has Power in it. When we use His name we use the power associated with it. "These are the miraculous signs that will accompany believers: They will use the power and authority of my name to force demons out of people. They will speak new languages. They will pick up snakes, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them. They will place their hands on the sick and cure them." Today we 1) speak new languages. 2) Some have the gift of healing and lay hands on the sick and they do recover. 3) There are devils being cast out of people today. 4) I havn't heard of snakes being picked up but I have heard a lot of other miraculous things that have happened. Jesus said "Mar 16:17 "These are some of the signs that will accompany believers". He didn't say apostles, He said believers. I am a believer. You are a believer. These miraculous signs follow us as well if we choose. This is a promise from Him to us. prayon |
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2 | prayon Did some not rec the Holy Spirit | 1 Cor 12:11 | Searcher56 | 111780 | ||
"Four out of 5 cases tongues was the initial evidence. In the 5th case tongues is alluded to." ... Acts 2:4 ... was not the initial evidence Acts 8:14-19 ... does not prove they spoke in tongues, only that Simon wanted to gain money by it. Acts 9:4-19 "As you stated he spoke in tongues later" therefore it was not initial evidence. Summary - Since two of the five times we see the Holy Spirit and tongues mentioned, tongues is not proof one has the Holy Spirit. Moreover, it is only one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12). What about the other salvation experiences - are you saying the Holy Spirit was not recieved? Correction - Acts 2:27 should be Acts 5:14 |
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3 | prayon Did some not rec the Holy Spirit | 1 Cor 12:11 | prayon | 111822 | ||
Searcher, Act 2:2-4: "Suddenly, a sound like a violently blowing wind came from the sky and filled the whole house where they were staying. Tongues that looked like fire appeared to them. The tongues arranged themselves so that one came to rest on each believer"(not apostle). "And they were all filled of the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Here is a visible sign of the gift they were to receive. They saw cloven tongues, like as of fire (Acts 2:3), and it sat - ekathise, not they sat, those cloven tongues, but he, that is the Spirit (signified thereby), rested upon each of them, as he is said to rest upon the prophets of old (MHCC) If tongues was not the initial sign I am curious what was? What do you think Simon saw that convinced him that the Holy Spirit was given? Acts 9: NO it does not say that he spoke immediately in tongues, however, the majority of the places in the bible state that "the Holy Spirit came to them, and they began to talk in other languages" (Act 19:6) " Act 10:45-47 All the believers who were circumcised and who had come with Peter were amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured on people who were not Jewish. They heard these non-Jewish people speaking in other languages and praising God. Then Peter said, "No one can refuse to baptize these people with water. They have received the Holy Spirit in the same way that we did." Act 19:6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came to them, and they began to talk in other languages and to speak what God had revealed. In all these instances (Acts 2,10, 19) all state that they were baptized with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in tongues. Therefore it is probable that Paul spoke in tongues when he was baptized with the Holy Spirit or it would be a violation of the Principle of Context in bible interpretation (Knowing Scriptue by R. E. Sproul). Upon baptism the Holy Spirit enters you but you receive a measure of the Holy Spirit in the new birth but you receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit in the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Acts 8 shows us that the 2 baptisms do not happen at the same time in most cases. They are 2 seperate entities. prayon |
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4 | prayon Did some not rec the Holy Spirit | 1 Cor 12:11 | Searcher56 | 111829 | ||
What about the other salvation experiences - are you saying the Holy Spirit was not recieved? Starting with ... did the 3,000 at Penecost not receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38)? I would rather prophecy than speak in a tongue. |
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