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1 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Emmaus | 30762 | ||
Lionstrong, Why do you ask that I fill in "the literal word" in the place where I wrote heart? Heart was the word I intended. Jesus used it often and figuratively. Your are obviously familiar with scripture and the use of "heart" in that context. I am surprised that I lost you with it's use in my post. Cruden's Complete Concordance has this to say about the word heart. "The word heart is used in Scripture as the seat of life or strength; hence it means mind, soul, spirit or one's entire emotional nature and under standing. It is also used as the center or inner part of a thing." I think that does well explaining "heart" when I wrote "the Holy Spirit speaking from the heart of the Church through Scripture." How would you fill in the blank in your question? Emmaus |
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2 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Lionstrong | 30773 | ||
Emmaus, you write, "And the Holy Spirit indwells the individual but also the Church and the two are inseparable, with the Holy Spirit speaking from the heart of the Church through the Scripture." So you mean that the Holy Spirit speaks from the mind of the Church through the Scripture. OK. That's a new concept to me. What does it mean, the Holy Spirit speaks from the mind of the church through Scripture? Unless you, as an RC, mean that the Pope is the "mind/heart of the Church," I have no idea what you mean. (And if it's the Pope that you mean, I, as a Protestant, do not believe such a notion.) But any way, what do you mean by the Holy Spirit speaks from the mind of the Church? Peace, Lionstrong |
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3 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Emmaus | 30780 | ||
Lionstrong, I never used the word mind or mentioned the pope. Mind was one of a number of words in the Cruden's explanatory note I quoted. I presume from your response to my question that you would fill in the blank where I used heart with mind. Many people find mind as figurative a word as heart and as difficult to pin down with simple definitions. This is to be expected when trying to describe the invisible and spiritual. Kind of like trying to describe God. Can we ever really do that task justice with concrete physical desriptions? As you can see Cruden's uses mind in the sense of a synonym to describe the biblical use of heart along with the words spirit or soul. I used the words heart and Holy Spirit. I think my previous post was a clear explanation of what I meant. The Holy Spirit abides in the heart of the Church, the Body of Christ and speaks through Scripture. I think this is pretty basic Christian thought. Do you disagree? Emmaus |
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4 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Reformer Joe | 30795 | ||
I think what his problem (and mine) is has to do with what "the heart of the church" consists of. The church is made up of all individual human beings who are justified by God's grace alone, though faith alone in Christ alone. The Holy Spirit indwells all who are justified, and gathers them in various places as His church. So, by speaking of the heart of the church, do you mean that He works through His people to properly explain and interpret Scripture? If so, then I would agree. If that is not what you mean, then please be more clear by what you mean by "heart of the church." --Joe! |
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5 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Emmaus | 30813 | ||
Joe, I do not see the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the individual and in the Church as the Body of Christ as mutually exclusive. For me it is not a question of either or. I see it as both and. Obviously with my background I may accept a more dynamic role of the Church when it comes to the issue of authoritatively interpreting some doctrinally disputed passages of Scripture. Emmaus |
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6 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Reformer Joe | 30820 | ||
Emmaus: You wrote: "I do not see the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the individual and in the Church as the Body of Christ as mutually exclusive. For me it is not a question of either or. I see it as both and." I don't see it as a question of "either-or," myself. My question is, since the church is made up of individuals who are justified before God, where is the church without the individuals in communion with one another? Perhaps I am not explaining my difficulty well, but you seem to be talking about "the Church" as if it were some entity that exists distinctly from the people of God ourselves. And what do you mean by a "dynamic role of the Church"? How can interpretation be dynamic (as if Scripture means different things at different times)? Thanks. --Joe! |
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