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1 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Reformer Joe | 29559 | ||
Really, no offense intended here, how could they both have been right and both wrong? Where exactly do you hold Luther to be right and the Church to be wrong, because they definitely were not saying the same thing in different terms. This is the first time I have ever heard a Roman Catholic say that Luther was right in anything in the disagreement between the Reformation and Rome. I sincerely want to know on what doctrinal issues you claim that Rome was in error. Specifically, who was right on whether justification is merited by us or solely by God's grace? Is justification earned via our works or received on the basis of faith alone? Is Scripture alone our ultimate authority or Scripture and the pronouncements of the RCC? I our salvation solely accomplished by the mediatorial work of Christ on the Cross 2000 years ago? These are the issues on which the Reformation hinged. Where has Rome changed its position on any of these? If your position differs from that of Rome, I would love to hear that, too. Thanks! --Joe! |
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2 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Brian.g | 29580 | ||
Joe Here's a section of the Cathecism of the Catholic Church. This is what the Church teaches. 817 .... But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame." ... Here's a comment from the documents of Vatican II. On the other hand, Catholics must gladly acknowledge and esteem the truly Christian endowments from our common heritage which are to be found among our separated brethren. It is right and salutary to recognize the riches of Christ and virtuous works in the lives of others who are bearing witness to Christ, sometimes even to the shedding of their blood. For God is always wonderful in His works and worthy of all praise. Joe, this is as far as time allows for me to work on this today. Regards, Brian |
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3 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Reformer Joe | 29638 | ||
That's fine. I don't want to seem to be cornering you for an answer. I'll be here. As far as what you did post from the RCC Catechism however, it merely says that men on both sides were to blame for the split. The paragraph does not identify the culprits (was it the Pope or just some lesser figures not acting on his behest/authority?) not does it comment at all on the material differences in the controversy that led to Trent. Does the RCC still hold the same position it did then? Because classical Protestantism hasn't budged. There is no question that Vatican II made great strides to work for unity, but I will still contend that what the RCC strives for is unity under its terms and its theological understanding. Rome still holds to the same theological stance it did in the 16th century, and its goal is to bring the "wayward" back into true, full communion with Rome. Please be aware that the Protestant understanding is NOT that all Catholics are outside of the saving grace of God. Where we disagree is where authority comes from, the nature of justification, and what makes the true church of God. There are Catholics who are indeed relying on Christ's completed work alone as the grounds of their justification, as there are Protestants who think that works and ritual and denominational affiliation somehow form the basis (or at least part of the basis) of God's declaration of righteousness on the part of the individual. The true church of God doesn't fit neatly into a denomination or visible human organization. The true, invisible, universal church is scattered among both biblically-functioning churches and those that preach serious biblical error. --Joe! |
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