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1 | But now...! | Rom 8:1 | Morant61 | 165152 | ||
Greetings All! There has been a lot of discussion about Rom. 7:14-25 lately, and this is good. It is an excellent study and worthy of our attention. One thing that I have noticed over the years as I have studied this topic is that chapter 8 seldom gets brought into the picture. It seems as though many allow the chapter divide (which is not in the orignal text) to end the train of thought at Rom. 7:25. However, Paul continues the discussion into chapter eight as well. Chapter 8 is Paul's response to the mournful cry of chapther 7, 'What a wretched man that I am'. Allow me to summarize Paul's descriptions of the person described in Rom. 7:14-25 and then compare them with what Rom. 8 has to say. Rom. 7:14-25 says of a person: 1) I am unspiritual - v. 14. 2) Sold as a slave to sin - v. 14. 3) I do not do what I want to do (ever) - v. 15. 4) I do what I hate instead - v. 15. 5) Sin is living in me - v. 17. 6) I delight in God's law in my inner being - v. 22. 7) I am a prisoner to the law of sin - v. 22. 8) I am a slave to the law of sin - v. 25. Now, I am convinced based upon Rom. 6 alone that Paul cannot be describing a Christian in this passage, but note what Paul continues on to say in chapter 8. The description of chapter 8: 1) I am set free from the law of sin and death through Christ - v. 2. 2) There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus - v. 1. 3) He has condemned sin in sinful man that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us who live according to the Spirit - v.4. 4) We are not controlled by the sinful nature but by the Spirit if the Spirit of God lives in us - v. 9. 5) If we live according to the sinful nature, we will die - v. 13. How could anyone say that these two chapters describe the same person? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | But now...! | Rom 8:1 | BradK | 165164 | ||
Hi Tim, Thanks for your thoughts and questions on this passage. It is good to study and worth our while- even though we may not agree:-) I could say these chapters describe the same person. They describe my and (at times) my walk and struggle. Though I may admittedly not be the most "spiritual Christian", Romans 6-8 are fitting. Briefly, here is my take. First, Rom. 6 describes the believers death to sin in principle (6:11). Paul qualifies this in 6:19. We are to reckon ourselves to be dead to sin, though the sin nature still exists in us. Second, Romans 7 is descriptive of myself at times. Brother, the "been there, done that" cliche applies for sure. I can very much relate to the struggle (7:20). I believe that most of us- if we're honest- would admit the ongoing battle (Gal. 5:16-17) How can we not say this is Paul and also not relate it to ourselves? I can't. Additionally, the grammar is just too specific to say he's referring to someone else- at least in my mind. Lastly, Romans 8 assures us that, "there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus (en christo). The sin nature still dwells in us, but we are not under the condemnation of the law. Better said, the claims of the law were met when Paul was put to death in the person of a Substitute. God's law still stands in all of its righteousness, but Paul's ( and our) relationship to it has changed. He (and we) are no longer under its dominion and condemnation. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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