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1 | carnal Christian? | Rom 7:14 | New Creature | 91995 | ||
Radioman Thank you for your response and thougths on my question. First I will address your questions. you asked; 1) "when a believer is not spiritual, he is carnal, is he not?" (To that I would say yes) 2) "When a believer is not walking by the Spirit, then it must be that he is governed by human nature (the mind of the flesh, the carnal mind). When this occurs, is he not carnal?" (To this I would answer yes) I did a search in 1 Cor. 3:1-5 where it talks about those who were acting "carnal" or "unspiritual" 1 Cor. 3:1- 5 (KJV) And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? Considering the rendering and wording of different versions, one can, and is able to draw various conclusions. Let me quote sections of the above text as it is found in various translations and then finish with what conclusions could possibly be drawn. "my brothers, I could not talk to you as I talk to people who have the Spirit; I had to talk to you as though you belonged to this world, as children in the Christian faith." 1 Cor. 3:1 TEV "We are simply God's servants, by whom you were led to believe." 1 Cor. 3:5 TEV "aren't you acting like those who are not Christians?" 1 Cor. 3:4 NLT "you are not yet spiritual. You are jealous and argue with each other. This proves that you are not spiritual" 1 Cor. 3:3 CEV "you are still unspiritual" "are you not plainly unspiritual?" "you came to believe" J.B. Phillips New Testament "you are still only baby Christians, controlled by your own desires, not God's" 1 Cor. 3:3 The Living Bible paraphrase If you were to take these quotes from the above translations, one can conclude that: 1) Those spoken of had come to believe 2) Those spoken of were acting like those who don't believe, being controlled by their flesh rather than by God's Spirit. (It may be possible that, those mentioned here, are experiencing a war. The old nature, and the new nature competing against each other, and it appears at the writting of this text that the new believers are allowing the old sinful nature to be in control. 3) Even though it is mentioned that those spoken of had been led to believe, at the same time it is also said they were unspiritual. 4) Those mentioned are called "baby Christians" which would definitely indicate that were unmature in their new-found faith So can I state and affirm that there truly is such a thing as a "carnal Christian?" Do these two words go hand-in-hand? I'm not sure, thats why I asked this forum for their input on this. In the perfect sense I would prefer to believe that there is no such thing as a "carnal Christian" but in reality, and according to God's word is there a group of people who could be labeled as such? Grace be unto you also New Creature |
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2 | Ques. re the Carnal Christian Teaching | Rom 7:14 | Radioman2 | 92042 | ||
Questions re Carnal Christian Teaching ____________________ "Since all Christians have remaining sin in them and since they sin every day, how much sin, or, what particular sins classify a person as a carnal Christian?" ____________________ 'Questions Raised by the Carnal Christian Teaching' '1. Are we sanctified passively, that is, by faith without the deeds of the law? (Note: I did not say justified but sanctified.) If sanctification is passive--a kind of "let go and let God"--then where do we place the apostolic admonitions in the New Testament such as, "I fight," "I run," "I keep under my body," "let us cleanse ourselves," "let us labour," "let us lay aside every weight"? None of these are passive expressions nor do they express some single act as the experience of victory or some single experience as the means of becoming more spiritual and mature. '2. Does not appealing to the so-called carnal Christian to become a spiritual Christian depreciate the real conversion experience by over-appreciating the second experience by whatever name it may be called (which is variously designated higher life, deeper life, spirit filled life, triumphant living, making Christ Lord not just Savior, etc.)? "Therefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" (2 Cor. 5:17). This passage is not talking about a second experience but rather about what happens in a real conversion experience. 'Has the spiritual Christian finished growing in grace? If not, what is he to be called, as he continues to grow in grace? Do we make still more unbiblical categories, such as, "spiritual, spiritual Christian" or "super spiritual Christian"? '3. Who is to decide who the carnal Christians are and exactly what standard is to be used in determining this? Do the spiritual Christians decide who the carnal Christians are? Does a church or preacher decide where the line is to be drawn that divides the two classes or categories? Would you like the responsibility of dividing the members of your church into unsaved, carnal Christian, spiritual? Since all Christians have remaining sin in them and since they sin every day, how much sin, or, what particular sins classify a person as a carnal Christian? '4. Do not all Christians act like natural men at times in some area of their lives? '5. Do not the inward sins, such as, envy, malice, covetousness, lasciviousness (which included immorality on the mental level) prove that a person is carnal just as much as some outward manifestation of external sins? '6. How much sin can a spiritual Christian commit and still be in the spiritual category? '7. Does the Christian go back and forth from spiritual to carnal and carnal to spiritual? How often can this changing of categories take place? '8. When and how does a carnal Christian become a spiritual Christian? '9. Are there different degrees of carnality and different degrees of sanctification in the so-called spiritual Christians? 'If some of these questions seem a bit ridiculous it is because they are raised by an unbiblical, ridiculous teaching.' ____________________ The Lordship Controversy and the Carnal Christian Teaching (Part 2) Ernest Reisinger (To whom it may concern: Please do not ask me to explain what Reisinger means. Let Reisinger explain what Reisinger means. To read more go to: (http://www.founders.org/FJ17/article2.html)) |
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3 | Ques. re the Carnal Christian Teaching | Rom 7:14 | New Creature | 92046 | ||
Radioman; After reading the following comment from your excellent post, the following two sections of Scripture came to mind, and I thought they might be useful to consider in any study of carnality, and how we should be continually putting aside the old nature, and be putting on the new nature, and be daily conforming more and more into the likeness of Christ Jesus. "all Christians have remaining sin in them" for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are (continiously) putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:13 NASB "I die daily" (the apostle Paul) 1 Cor. 15:31 Grace to you New Creature |
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