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1 | when is someone saved? | Rom 10:9 | Emmaus | 59122 | ||
Hi Joe, I am not surprised you disagree with Akin. If you did I would expect to be hearing strains of the "Te Deum" being sung in the background. But as I pointed out, and your exchanges with Arminians on this forum indicate, disagreement with significant aspects of Calvin's doctrine on grace, free will and perseverence of the saints is not just a Catholic thing. You may have noticed in the footnotes that all of Akin's references for his position were not Catholic. Particulary the reference to the Calvinist's author's book on the history of the doctrine of the preservation of the saints. That might be an interesting read. You were a little quiet on the forum for a while compared to your normal output. Have you heard from Hank lately? Emmaus |
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2 | when is someone saved? | Rom 10:9 | Reformer Joe | 59156 | ||
I haven't heard from Hank at all. I myself have been busy finishing up my requirements for my master's degree (finished up last Wednesday), so I had to take a holiday from the Forum. Nice to be missed, though! I know that no one gets along with a Calvinist buta Calvinist! :) By the way, the Catholic Encyclopedia puts the idea of Final Perseverance this way: "Canon 22 (Si quis dixerit justificatum vel sine speciali auxilio Dei in accepta justitia perseverare posse, vel cum eo non posse, anathema sit), by teaching that the justified cannot persevere without a special help of God, but with it can persevere, not only condemns both the naturalism of the Semipelagians and the false supernaturalism of the Reformers but also clearly implies that the power of perseverance is neither in the human will alone nor in God's grace solely, but in the combination of both, i.e., Divine grace aiding human will, and human will co-operating with Divine grace." So where Catholicism differs from my view (and that of other "false supernaturalists" -- whatever that is supposed to mean) is the whole necessity of man's cooperation in this persevering act. Catholic perseverance hinges on human beings, at least in part; whereas Classical Protestantism, while it holds that the ones who will be in heaven are those who persevere, see God's grace as something that does not require our cooperation to get its job done. Repentance, faith, and perseverance, although something we experience and actively assent to, are things granted by God to His people. He makes it happen in Christians. Sola gratia! --Joe! |
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