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1 | when is someone saved? | Rom 10:9 | Emmaus | 59111 | ||
John, I would not have much to disagree with you about on this post. It is true that the Catholic Church does not hold to Sola Fide. It is the Sola part it disputes, because its definition of faith includes the fruit of works as opposed to separating them. If you think of works in Christ and see where St. Paul says that three things last; faith, hope and charity (works in Christ) you can see how these three are bound together intrinsically by grace. And this without even bringing James into the picture. Another way to avoid what I comsider to be the false argument between Paul and James is to just look at how Paul opens and closes Romans talking about the "obedience of faith." What is that but works in Christ and an intrinsic part of faith? I sometimes think too much is made of these distinctions by category in theology, since the actual practice in the daily activities of life is often the same among believers who argue over the theological distinctions. EdB has expressed the same thought as you about penance. I can't for the life of me understand why you both see it that way. I don't see it in that light at all, but rather as an outward expression of turning back to God who calls us by His grace and getting back in tune with His grace. It seems a very biblical concept to me. I suspect it is the formal connection you see to a sacrament which you do not acknowledge that is off putting. I certainly know Born Again Protestants who have done and are doing penance for sins which have been forgiven, but they may not call it by that name or connect it with a sacrament. Emmaus |
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2 | when is someone saved? | Rom 10:9 | John Reformed | 59152 | ||
Dear Emmaus, As a catholic, I was requierd to confess my sins to a priest. I was given absolution and instructed to say a certain number of Hail Mary's and Our Fathers as a condition of being restored to a "state of grace". In other words: I had to add works to faith in order to recieve absolution. I no longer believe that the Catholic system of confession and pennance is scriptural. 1) 1Ti 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, ". I don't need an earthly priest. 2) Romans 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. I would encourage you to read the entire 8th chapter. There is no falling from grace if you are in Christ. 3) 1 John 1:9 " If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. We are to take our sins to the Father and to go boldly before the throne of grace, and God forbid that I offer my works as a propitiation for my sins. Instead my song will be: Rock of Ages, cleft for me, Let me hide myself in Thee; Let the water and the blood, From Thy wounded side which flowed, Be of sin the double cure; Save from wrath and make me pure. Not the labor of my hands Can fulfill Thy law’s demands; Could my zeal no respite know, Could my tears forever flow, All for sin could not atone; Thou must save, and Thou alone. Nothing in my hand I bring, Simply to the cross I cling; Naked, come to Thee for dress; Helpless look to Thee for grace; Foul, I to the fountain fly; Wash me, Savior, or I die. While I draw this fleeting breath, When mine eyes shall close in death, When I soar to worlds unknown, See Thee on Thy judgment throne, Rock of Ages, cleft for me, Let me hide myself in Thee God Bless Emmaus, John |
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