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1 | when is someone saved? | Rom 10:9 | John Reformed | 58936 | ||
Dear Emmaus, I was raised catholic and by the eighth grade I knew I could not live up to the works demanded by the church. It was'nt until I was 30 years old that I heard the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ: Eph 2:8,9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." If you do not believe that the atonemenent for all our sins was paid for by Jesus on the cross, but that we need to add to it by works, you do not understand the gospel. John |
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2 | when is someone saved? | Rom 10:9 | Emmaus | 59011 | ||
John, We apparently got different messages growing up since were are not far apart in age. I have been a Catholic all my 52 years and every year I lean more heavily on Jesus and God's grace. The "works" that Catholics do are works of grace done in Christ because of His grace. I have never been under the illusion or delusion that I could save myself by works. But someone professing to be a Christian in the ordinary context (i.e. not like the thief on the cross) without any works in Christ would seem to me to be to be bereft of grace and therefore not saved. The purpose of my post was to show both the similarities and difference between the Catholic and Calvinist approach to the subject of perseverence of the saints which was raised in your exchange with RespectHim. In some ways I think the two positions are much closer than some people would think. Emmaus |
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3 | when is someone saved? | Rom 10:9 | John Reformed | 59019 | ||
Dear Emmaus, Fogive me for being a bit caustic in my recent posts. I have not had many charitable thoughts regarding the Catholic Church lately and perhaps I reacted with less tact than would ordinaily be my wont. The American Council of Bishops have recently come to the conclusion that the jewish people should not be evangelized because they already share faith in the same God as christians. Are you aware of their decision and if so, what are your thoughts on it? John |
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4 | when is someone saved? | Rom 10:9 | Emmaus | 59026 | ||
John, All is forgiven. I have received much worse and sometimes with malice which I did not perceive in your posts. And I have been known to get a little testy myself on occassion. As for the document you mention about the evangelization of Jews, I have read an article on it.I will try to find the article and if it is on the web I will send you a link. You need to be aware first, that it does not represent the whole body of American bishops and it is a document of a small ecumenical commitee as I recall.I am not even certain of the exact language. This is the kind of thing that gives Catholics like me heart burn, because these kind of documents are not authoritative teaching of the universal Church, but are often perceived as or presented as such in the secular media. For authoritative teaching that got lots of people upset because it took a strong position on evangelization of all people see the declaration "Dominus Jesus" on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church, which reasserts that the mission of Chrit's Church is to evalgelize ALL people and condems indifferentism. You can see it at this link: http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFUNICI.HTM Emmaus |
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