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1 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51507 | ||
They 'repented' at the preaching of Peter and received the 'gift of the Holy Spirit', which are the plural phrases connected together grammatically in Acts 2:38. Then, and only then, each one was baptized, in accordance with the singular command of Acts 2:38. I noticed that you want to invoke the clause, (and) for your above point, but not with Mark 16:16. Then you try to bring out what you call (simply wrong) understanding of Acts 2:38 and Acts 10:45 as if there is a contradiction, but the is no contradiction in either text, because what can be said of both text is that, they heard the word of God, they believed it, they repented, and we can see that by thier willingness to be baptized in the name of the Lord, now all of these elements are in the text, and cannot be denied. You want to place salvation at the point of belief, James 2:19 says, Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. vs.20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? vs. 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? vs.22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and (by works was faith made perfect)? vs. And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness; and he was called the Friend of God. vs.24 Ye see then how that by works a man is (justified), and not by (faith only). You talked about (contradiction) your whole belief system falls apart when James speaks to your heart! |
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2 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | srbaegon | 51512 | ||
Hello Grace and Truth The difficulty seems to be with how "justified" is used in James 2:21. There is more than one definition for this word. Your interpretation seems to be that this is a judicial act where sin is removed and/or covered. If this is the case, then Abraham was not "saved" until he offered up Isaac in Gen 22. However the clear testimony of Scripture is that his belief was counted to him for righteousness back in Gen 15:6. It can't be both. Either God did as stated in 15:6 or somebody lied. James 2 is stating that Abraham proved his faith by the willingness to offer up Isaac. The belief that allowed God to count as righteousness was demonstrated on the mountain. Steve |
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3 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51514 | ||
"The difficulty seems to be with how "justified" is used in James 2:21. There is more than one definition for this word". Here we go again, So James didn't know what he was talking about right! James states that Abrahams faith was (MADE PERFECT), who made it perfect (GOD)! |
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4 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | srbaegon | 51519 | ||
Hello Grace and Truth "Made perfect" is a maturing of what Abraham had. There was a beginning (Gen 15) and a perfecting (Gen 22). God was bringing it to its completion. The outcome of faith is to be obedience. We have the similar thought (though not identical) in Philippians 1:6 (ESV) And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. Here Paul acknowledges the maturing process, but looks to it's ultimate conclusion at the day of Christ. James is looking at the practical outworking of faith being the expected conclusion of true faith in this life. Steve |
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