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1 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | EdB | 64415 | ||
Johnny Look this is getting no where. Tithe was more than Old Testament law it was a social custom of the time. It was used to pay tribute, show respect and to honor a person. FACT! While the New Testament does not require tithes, it does not prohibit them. FACT! Some People myself included pay tithes to honor God, to worship God, to pay tribute to God. FACT! Everyone has a moral obligation to pay their way. FACT! The bible teaches Luke 10:7 "Stay in that house, eating and drinking what they give you; for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not keep moving from house to house. 1 Cor. 9:6 Or do only Barnabas and I not have a right to refrain from working? 1 Cor. 9:14 So also the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel. Galatians 6:6 The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him. 1 Tim. 5:18 For the Scripture says, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING," and "The laborer is worthy of his wages." 2 Cor. 11:8 I robbed other churches by taking wages from them to serve you; 1 Cor. 9:11 If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? 1 Tim. 5:17 The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. These scriptures all talk about being paid or receiving pay for preaching/ teaching the gospel. FACT! Paul did in fact take money for preaching he said as much in 2 Cor. 11:8 I robbed other churches by taking wages from them to serve you; FACT! The disciples received wages (room and board) for preaching. Luke 10:7 "Stay in that house, eating and drinking what they give you; for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not keep moving from house to house. FACT! Now if you want to continue this discussion show me where prohibits paying a tithe to anyone but a Levite. Show me where the Bible says not to pay a pastor. Show me where tithing is prohibited in the New Testament. Remember the custom of tithing started before the law. Therefore where the New Testament talks about the law it does not include all tithing only Mosaic law tithing. Show me where the Bible says we should expect a free ride in life. That we don’t owe those that feed into our lives, care for us and give up their life for us. EdB |
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2 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64462 | ||
EdB, it is not getting no where! it is you did not disprove my point you asked me to show passages to you but you did not disprove any of my point, I asked you many times where in the bible give you authority to collect tithes you never show this to me. The fact that tithe is prohibited because you are not a descendants of levi are you? are we? If you are not the descendants of levi who give authority to receive tithes. The sense is there is no authority now for a christian to receive tithes, not you not me but the descendant of levi, now who gave the authority to receive tithes? You asked me where the passages prohibit tithes I show one and I asked you if you done other matters of the law and you did not response to it but to put your challenge to e what kind of discussion is this anyway you want me to show scriptures but it is you did not show first. Here is my points again please answers them first and show the scriptures that I asked before asked yours. You write"Your right Johnny nowhere in the New Testament does it say to pay tithes, but it also does not prohibit it. If we following Abraham's example and using a tithe to pay honor and tribute nothing in the New Testament prohibits that." you are wrong in this Christ not prohibit the tithes if you do other part of the law. take a look at this verse. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Did you observe other part of the law of moses? Did youy kill your brother and sisters if you found them gathering stick in sabbath day? Did you prohibit your self eating food that prohibited by the law of moses? If you said yes then you still bound by the law of moses if said that NO! and Christ called that kind hypocrytes as He told to scribes and pharisees. You have to be consistent EdB when you observe part of the law you must observe evrything in it otherwise Christ will call you hypocrytes. You write:"As for Abraham killing others and bringing back their goods. Abraham was protecting his family and yes I think Jesus would allow that. His disciples carried swords and the main reason for carrying swords is to defend yourself. Notice Jesus never told them to get rid of the swords." Where in the new testament that desciples killed anyone depending themselves? John beheaded is he depended himself or killed anyone depending his own? Paul beheaded after imprisone did he kill someone depending himself? your suggestion is very far from the scriptures: Mt 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. I dont believed that Christ will allow this, he never required anyone to give tithes to Him, How come that He will happy receving a tithes if I took it to my enemies after killing them. Again, Your suggestion is very far from the teaching of Christ: Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; I dont think I will love my enemies by killing them or blessed them by taking thier goods and give it to the lord part of my tithes. Thanks for your suggestion anyway. You write "I’m not a descendant of Levi, however I am a royal priest, a chosen race, a holy nation and I do declare the excellencies of Him who called me out of darkness into his marvelous light." Then who gave you the Authority of receiving tithes? Can you show me based on the bible that you are now have the Authority receving tithes can you please show me the scriptures backing up your claim. Did paul collect the tithes? Where in the scriptures that paul being paid for his evangelistic work where is that? Can you show any desciples that received thier salaries from the church? Please show me. I know paul support himself by a tentmaker not by collecting tithes. Pastors that receive salaries is not in the bible, because desciples never collect salaries, because they know the teaching of Christ:Now if can show me any desciples that collect thier salaries please do. The primary topic here is the tithe please dont jump for any topic that you want. Those are my point just answer them and show the scriptures that I requested and I promised I will answers your points. Just answer them one by one with a backup of scriptures. Show me also the scritures ans I will answers yours. If you fail to answers those then, I am sorry I will stop the discussion. God bless, Johnny |
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3 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | EdB | 64497 | ||
Johnny This is nonsense. Read my last response it answered your questions. You do not want the truth you want to what you have been taught. You have been proof texted and proof texting can prove anything. Here is the truth. Tithe was more than Old Testament law it was a social custom of the time. It was used to pay tribute, show respect and to honor a person. FACT! While the New Testament does not require tithes, it does not prohibit them. FACT! Some People myself included pay tithes to honor God, to worship God, to pay tribute to God. FACT! Everyone has a moral obligation to pay their way. FACT! The bible teaches Luke 10:7 "Stay in that house, eating and drinking what they give you; for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not keep moving from house to house. 1 Cor. 9:6 Or do only Barnabas and I not have a right to refrain from working? 1 Cor. 9:14 So also the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel. Galatians 6:6 The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him. 1 Tim. 5:18 For the Scripture says, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING," and "The laborer is worthy of his wages." 2 Cor. 11:8 I robbed other churches by taking wages from them to serve you; 1 Cor. 9:11 If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? 1 Tim. 5:17 The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. These scriptures all talk about being paid or receiving pay for preaching/ teaching the gospel. FACT! Paul did in fact take money for preaching he said as much in 2 Cor. 11:8 I robbed other churches by taking wages from them to serve you; FACT! The disciples received wages (room and board) for preaching. Luke 10:7 "Stay in that house, eating and drinking what they give you; for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not keep moving from house to house. FACT! As to the issue of self defense there is no point going there is you refuse to consider what I say on tithing. However this issue has been discussed before and if your really interested do a search for word sword in the quick search. EdB |
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4 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64565 | ||
Part I It is you not stick in the discussion my friend, take a deep breath. I will put a review here of how it was start. You write that abraham taught us to tithe then when I asked you where abraham get his tithes and if it ok to Jesus Christ that I will take the goods of my enemies after killing them this is what response. Your answer: As for Abraham killing others and bringing back their goods. Abraham was protecting his family and yes I think Jesus would allow that. His disciples carried swords and the main reason for carrying swords is to defend yourself. Notice Jesus never told them to get rid of the swords. You know that we talk about tithes but you turn it to self-defense now, you telling me that self-defense is other issue, I know that it is you who turn the discussion in the other matters but not in the tithes. My argument there in my response to somebody really is about tithe it is you turn the discussion in somewhere else. You write: Tithe was more than Old Testament law it was a social custom of the time. It was used to pay tribute, show respect and to honor a person. FACT! My answer yes! In Old Testament but how about in the New Testament do you say that the people of New Testament did not show respect and honor because they don’t give tithes? WRONG! While the New Testament does not require tithes, it does not prohibit them. FACT! The New Testament prohibit it because we are not under the law, if you do part of the law why it is only the tithes and not all the matters of the law. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. It is very clear that if you do the tithes you should not leave the other undone! Why it is only the tithes, we have to be consistent, if you do other matters of the law you should not leave the other undone! What is it the other matter of the law? Do not eat the pork and others, kill brother and sisters if you found them gathering stick in the day of Sabbath and more. Why other part of the law we are ready to reject except tithes you know why because its involve money. When paul wrote that we cannot justify by the law of moses did he exclude tithes? NO! The New Testament also stated that authority of receiving tithes is given to the Levites until now you cannot show me the scriptures that give you authority to receive tithes did you? Some People myself included pay tithes to honor God, to worship God, to pay tribute to God. FACT! It is not a teaching of Christ, did Christ say that we can worship Him in giving tithes no we have to follow the commandments of Christ and tithes is not His Commandments but by the law. Here are the new commandments of Christ: Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. It is not include tithes he never mentioned that love them with your tithes If the tithes really a requirements why Christ don’t have any single teaching about this? If the teaching is important Christ will continue teach that take a look at this verse: De 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Le 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Christ tught it again in the new testament: Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. 38. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But tithes He never teach that again. |
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5 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | EdB | 64581 | ||
Johnny Your doing nothgin but proof texting. answer these verses and tell me why a pastor shouldn't be paid 1 Cor. 9:14 So also the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel. Galatians 6:6 The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him. 1 Tim. 5:18 For the Scripture says, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING," and "The laborer is worthy of his wages." 1 Cor. 9:11 If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? 1 Tim. 5:17 The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. |
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