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1 | Must we be Baptized to enter Heaven | John 4:14 | justme | 102968 | ||
Khuck: Excellent question, and I have been there exactally as you satated the circumstance. Thank you for the opportunity to share my first hand experience. I went to visit a referal in the Oncology ward in a hospital in Kansas City North, MO. The woman was near death, and she had lived a very hard sinful life. Her regrets were many to say the least. She was burdened and fearful of death. Our visit was by her choice, direct and to the point. I shared the love and forgiveness of Jesus with her. She received Christ will overwhelming joy. I visited her daily, and she was infatic she wanted to be baptized, because Jesus was her Lord and she wanted to obey Him. I had explained baptism was not required for her salvation. She was so determined she was willing to go through anything just tobe baptized. With all the tubes, and oxygen, immersion was not possible under any circumstances. I was close friends with a pastor who used sprinkling as ther mode of baptism. My pastor friend asked me why not sprinkle her? I was relunctant at first, and rejected the idea. I spent time praying about this. The next time I was there with her, I sprinkled her with this form of baptism. She died within a day or so. She died with peace that she did obey Jesus. This was something she wanted so very much, wish many able people would so convienced of the need to be baptized as well. Some would find fault for a Southern Baptist Pastor to sprinkel, for a symbol of baptism. I took some real heat from my deacon board. I ment the need of a dying women who wanted to show her obedience to her Lord Jesus Christ. However if she had not been baptized I am 100 percent sure she still would have gone to be with our Lord Jesus Christ. I sincerely hope my sharing this opens up our need to help people in the circumstance that they are in, rather than having the sick come to us. I admit this was quite awarkward for me. I did go against my Director of Missions advice, and my church was quite upset, but I ministered to a person who needed to be shown acceptance, forgiveness and the love of Jesus through me. I would do it all the same if I had to do it over again. Any thoughts? justme |
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2 | What would Jesus have you do? | John 4:14 | Aixen7z4 | 102977 | ||
In such an awkward situation, what would Jesus do? I note that he did not even sprinkle the man on the cross next to him. But in my travels I have seen so many different things, I wonder if it is Jesus directing them. And now you have reported what you did, that was satisfactory to both you and that dear sister. But believers do not agreed on these things. The people you fellowship with did not agree with you. What did they think you should do? I imagine they would have you do nothing. But you did not feel comfortable with that, especially because the lady wanted to do something. So you did what you did, but you continue to feel uncomfortable. You ask for thoughts. Here is another thought to consider. People baptize in different ways, to say the least. One which disturbed me was to see a pastor ask the person to walk beyond him in the water and baptize herself. He watched as she went down and came up, alone, untouched by hand. Now, in your situation how would you feel about that sister baptizing herself? How could she do that, you ask. You take a doll to represent her and a container of water. You have her to baptize the doll, or you do it for her. If she did it herself, or if you did it with her, then her hand would get wet and you would not have to sprinkle her. As you know, “sprinkle” and “baptize” are two different things. I assure you I am sincere and not being facetious. Fearful of being attacked, but not facetious. I have not seen this being done, but I would not be surprised to see it. What do you think? |
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3 | What would Jesus have you do? | John 4:14 | khuck | 102983 | ||
This question was posed to John Myers Bible Question: "I read a booklet which said, 'We absolutely must be buried in baptism (not sprinkled or poured) to become a Christian. There is no hope for those who are not correctly baptized.' Is this true?" Bible Answer: In a word, no. I'm a Baptist, have been since I got saved in 1977, and probably will always be one, but not even fundamental Southern Baptist believers like me can say that baptism has anything whatsoever to do with your salvation. If it did, how about the thief on the cross beside Jesus? Luke 23: 39-43 gives us the account of the thief's salvation. "Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, 'If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.' "But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, 'Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.' Then he said to Jesus, 'Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.' "And Jesus said to him, 'Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.'" |
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4 | What would Jesus have you do? | John 4:14 | Radioman2 | 102997 | ||
[khuck: Welcome to the Forum. I am delighted to have you on board. May God richly bless you. I agree with your post regarding baptism. Grace to you, Radioman2] * * * * * * * * * * * * * The mode of baptism - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Scripture and common sense indicate that the water is not all-important and that, therefore, other modes [i.e., modes other than immersion] may be used as substitutes in exceptional circumstances." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "There are three modes (or methods) of water baptism used in Christian churches today: immersion (in which the person is completely submerged), affusion (that is, pouring), and aspersion (sprinkling). Evangelical Christians are divided on the question of which mode or modes are proper forms of baptism. Some Christians (typically those who believe that only believers should be baptized) think that immersion is the only valid mode, while other Christians (usually those who recognize the validity of infant baptism) consider all three modes to be acceptable. (...) "Those who believe that all three modes are valid would point out that only in the most ritualistic view of baptism can the amount of water be considered important. The immersion-only view, they say, appears absurd: What if one hair fails to be immersed? What if a finger or a hand? Where does one draw the line? But the opposing argument can be made to appear absurd also: If a small amount of water is permissible, is one drop enough? How about no water at all (not a view to be laughed away, since the "Quakers" take this exact view)? Where does one draw the line at this end? Therefore, the better approach is to realize that it is the general form of the act and the intention of those involved that matter, not the precise amount of water used. The issue is: Shall we obey the command of Christ as He intended or shall we obey the command in a way that pleases us? (...) "What shall we conclude from these observations? "It seems clear to us that immersion is the biblical norm, but that it is not an inflexible norm. That is, Scripture and common sense indicate that the water is not all-important and that, therefore, other modes may be used as substitutes in exceptional circumstances. God accepts the believer on the basis of his faith in Christ and his desire to obey Him, not on the basis of how much water covered his body when he was baptized. The doctrine that immersion is the only valid mode of baptism and that only those so baptized should be admitted into the fellowship of the Church body would, therefore, appear to be a bit extreme and not based on Scripture. The Church should welcome into its fellowship all those whom Christ has accepted (Romans 15:7, I John 1:3)" (http://www.equip.org/search/). |
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5 | What would Jesus have you do? | John 4:14 | khuck | 103008 | ||
Hello Radioman, And thank you for the warm welcome. It helps me to feel less like I have just bogarded my way into the forum. LOL I love this forum. It causes me to study my beliefs deeper, and to research with more more depth the reasons that I believe as I do. Because of this website I have re-thought some issues, in others my belief has been solidified, and some I have had new avenues of learning and understanding opened to me. I have been studying and using Christian resources that I have saved, stored and marked on this little laptop like nobody's business. I will confess that I had to knock the dust and cobwebs off of a few. (grin) This forum has been a great help to me and I appreciate all of you who participate in it. AND I DO MEAN EVERYONE :) -kathy P.S. One day I will have the audacity to ask my little question. |
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