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1 | Must we be Baptized to enter Heaven | John 4:14 | Ray | 103034 | ||
Hi khuck, These verses are great companion verses and wonderful to compare. I have discussed them on this forum through the years and would love to talk about them again.:) If you get to know me you will find that I talk about capitalization a lot. For example, I would want to talk to you about why you would put in caps the word baptism and spiritual baptism. Also, I would have talked about Nicodemus and spiritual things and spiritual baptism. That is just my interest and don't let it bother you if I go overboard sometime. But for the Scriptures it is important to know if the words are talking about a Person or not. For instance, is John 4:10 talking about a Person when he mentions "living water"? You pretty much equated the Holy Spirit with Living Water in your post. Would you be open to thinking about a lower case holy spirit and living water? Would you be open to consider a lower case "spirit" for John 3:6 and 8? Would you be open to consider that there is a Spirit and also a new spirit in you when looking at Ezekiel 36:26,27? Would you be open to consider whether one could be baptized in the lower case holy spirit, when looking at Acts 11:16? From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Must we be Baptized to enter Heaven | John 4:14 | khuck | 103060 | ||
Hi Ray, Capitalizations do not really mean much to me when I am studying the word or Word (smile). I find that I tend to research the content of the verse and the context of the words. Especially since some words have multiple meanings and may mean one thing in english while meaning another in hebrew or greek. Therefore I compare commentaries and use resources that translate the language that was being used and the context in which the words were used. I will do my best to explain what and why I believe. in this post. I will start with John 4:10 (Living water) When the Lord was at the well with the woman... This commentary and of course my additional thoughts are the reasonings that makes my belief that this living water, is truly the Spirit. Jesus answered and said to her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." When the Lord made the remark "If you knew the gift of God", should not gift be capitalized, since we know that Christ is the Gift of God and that He is the very Life or life that He is speaking about. *** By this living water is meant the Spirit of Grace, "Who" is not like the water he asked for in the bottom of the well, but He is like living or running water, which was much more valuable. The Spirit of grace is as living water. Under this similarity the blessings of the Messiah had been promised in the Old Testament, Isa. 12:3; 35:7; 44:3; 55:1; Zec. 14:8. The graces of the Spirit, and His comforts, satisfy the thirsting soul, that knows its own nature and needs. Jesus Christ can and will give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him; (remember He answered the woman, "you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.") because He received that He might give. Here are additional commentary notes that prove to "me" what I believe. ***Living water: is a reference to the water of life, the spiritual realities that lead to overlasting life in the presence of God. ***Living water: pardoning and justifying grace, every branch of sanctifying grace, and all the supplies of it; called Living Water, because his grace quickens sinners dead in sin, and dead in law, and in, their own apprehensions; and causes them to live in themselves, and before God; and because it refreshes and comforts, revives and cheers, and is like rivers of water in a dry land; and because it maintains and supports spiritual life in their souls; and it ever abides, and continues, and springs up unto everlasting life: for the allusion is to spring water, that bubbles up in a fountain, and is ever running; for such water the Jews call "living water"; see (Genesis 26:19) ; where in the Hebrew text it is "living water"; which we, and also the Chaldee paraphrase, render "springing water". So living waters with them, are said to be always flowing, and never cease. ***Living water:This everlasting water, that is to say, the exceeding love of God, is called "living" or "of life", to make a difference between it and the water that should be drawn out of a well: and these metaphors are frequently used by the Jews. ***Living water: that Christ gives--spiritual life--is struck out of the very depths of our being, making the soul not a vessel, for holding water poured into it from outside of it, but a "fountain" (the word use, to distinguish it from the word used "well" in John 4:11), springing, gushing, bubbling up and flowing forth inside of us, ever fresh, ever living. The indwelling of the Holy Ghost as the Spirit of Christ is the secret of this life with all its enduring energies and satisfactions, as is expressly said (John 7:37-39). "Never thirsting," then, means simply that such souls have the supplies at home, into everlasting life. I will research further the rest of your note and respond accordingly May Gods Peace always remain upon us -Kathy |
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3 | Must we be Baptized to enter Heaven | John 4:14 | Ray | 103109 | ||
Hi khuck, I want to encourage you in your study of the things of God that you have done today. God is awesome and great. I know that I have two of your posts to answer so I'll respond to each one for ease of reference. You wrote of your belief that "this living water, is truly the Spirit." I, however, would say that if the Spirit is truly spoken of here then you should speak of Living Water. You wrote of considering whether "gift" should be capitalized in John4:10. I would say that Gift should indeed be capitalized if you also capitalized Living Water. May I be bold and speak about your commentaries? 1) "By this living water is meant the Spirit of Grace". Here is the situation that I spoke about above; If it meant the Spirit of Grace then it should be Living Water. But this writer speaks of the Spirit of Grace, the Spirit of grace and the graces of the Spirit. I don't see enough consistency for it helping us in deciding capitalization. It revolves around whether God is Love or love. (I believe that God is love). 2) "Living water": This quote is what I would see also. The writer sees the living water as as the spiritual realities, the things of God that lead to everlasting life. 3) The next quote speaks of living water and also Living Water and "his" grace. Here again, he would not be one that I would go to for help with capitalization. He spoke of Living Water and then mentions things that "it" would do. God is not an "it". I agree with his thoughts about "it" however, because I agree that the verse is talking about living water. (But not Living Water) 4) "Living water: This everlasting water, that is to say, the exceeding love of God..." I agree that the love of God is a big part of these things of God. 5) "Living water: that Christ gives --spiritual life--". I find this quote to be excellent and agree with it very much. I hope that my reactions to the quotes are seen as only how I see it; that they are given simply so that we can compare our thoughts with theirs. I see God as the Giver (Spirit) and the holy spirit (living water) as the gift. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | Must we be Baptized to enter Heaven | John 4:14 | Ray | 103110 | ||
P.S. John 6:63, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life." From the heart, Ray |
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