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1 | Should we rethink the Trinity? | John 10:30 | Saint N Says | 135513 | ||
There were great wars over the trinity doctrine in the early church, is there good reason to reconsider this? John 10:22-39 “I and the Father are One.” John 10:30 is equal to saying: We are one and the same. The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. John 10:31 The Jews gathered around Jesus at the time Dedication. They had very high Messianic expectations, wanted Jesus to claim to be that, but in seconds went from desire to follow to desire to kill. “There is no difference between us.” is equal to saying: “If you have seen Me you have seen the Father.” Jesus was deeply hated by the Jews because He directly claimed that He and God were one and the same. The Jews despised the Romans and would want not one of their own turned over for crucifixion. Something had to offend them more deeply than any other thing could for them to demand that outcome, a result the Romans were loathe to take. John 14:7-21 |
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2 | Should we rethink the Trinity? | John 10:30 | BradK | 135588 | ||
SaintN, I too would be interested to know if you're really serious or just coming to the Forum with an agenda. You name doesn't play well, my friend:-( Historically, The Council at Nicea dealt with the question of the Trinity in depth. "The Nicene fathers did not pretend to have exhausted the mystery of the Trinity, and very well understood that all human knowledge, especially in this deepest, central dogma, proves itself but fragmentary. All speculation on divine things ends in a mystery, and reaches an inexplicable residue, before which the thinking mind must bow in humble devotion. "Man," says Athanasius, "can perceive only the hem of the garment of the triune God; the cherubim cover the rest with their wings." In his letter to the Monks, written about 358, he confesses that the further he examines, the more the mystery eludes his understanding, and he exclaims with the Psalmist: "Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it." Augustine says in one place: "If we be asked to define the Trinity, we can only say, it is not this or that." But though we cannot explain the how or why of our faith, still the Christian may know, and should know, what he believes, and what he does not believe, and should be persuaded of the facts and truths which form the matter of his faith." How do you propose to "rethink" the trinity and on what basis? It is clearly a doctrine taught in scripture and one that orthodox Christianity has held and believed for centuries! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Should we rethink the Trinity? | John 10:30 | Saint N Says | 135610 | ||
I wasn't quite thinking we were at the point of friendship, and I am rather impressed that when you speak in love that it is the truth, maybe you could start adding new books to the Bible with that special gift. I am sorry to see you quoting Augustine since he was one of the central founders of Roman Catholicism, an "orthodox" group responsible for the execution of millions and millions of heretics for the sake of their loving truth. I can only imagine what you really feel towards me since you call me Satan. My agenda that you ask about is not to deny the Father or the Holy Spirit but get at what I "think" scripture is saying in emphasizing the role of Jesus as being the primary interactor with man, and thus a more Christ-centered focus. |
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4 | Should we rethink the Trinity? | John 10:30 | JCrichton | 135613 | ||
Hi, Says! If you are a Christian, then every Christian is your brother! BradK, as well as myself and others on this forum, do not see people as separate from Christ (unless their statements deem it so)... the term "friend" is a simple approach to a friendly exchange... As you no doubt have noticed, I do not use your complete screen name... it is for the same reservations pointed out by Hank on his thread... Please note that no one has called you Satan... the phonics related to your screen name does point out to such, though... perhaps a different screen name might serve a better purpose! ...In regards to your statement of millions and millions... could you cite the reference where you got your numbers?--though this is treading close to denominational argument so you might do better by dropping an email (jcrichtonfs1 at yahoo.com). God Bless! Angel |
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5 | Should we rethink the Trinity? | John 10:30 | Saint N Says | 135619 | ||
My sincere apologies. I see no point in ruining your forum. I simply could never recognize a Catholic as a Christian (no more than a Hindu), and if that isn't obivious to everyone else I must be in the wrong place. To challenge me on the fact that the Catholic church killed millions of dissidents is akin to denying the Holocaust. I shall withdrawl and seek a forum better suited to my interests and views. Sincerely, Saint N Says |
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6 | Should we rethink the Trinity? | John 10:30 | kalos | 135620 | ||
Good-bye. | ||||||