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NASB | John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 10:30 "I and the Father are One [in essence and nature]." |
Bible Question:
There were great wars over the trinity doctrine in the early church, is there good reason to reconsider this? John 10:22-39 “I and the Father are One.” John 10:30 is equal to saying: We are one and the same. The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. John 10:31 The Jews gathered around Jesus at the time Dedication. They had very high Messianic expectations, wanted Jesus to claim to be that, but in seconds went from desire to follow to desire to kill. “There is no difference between us.” is equal to saying: “If you have seen Me you have seen the Father.” Jesus was deeply hated by the Jews because He directly claimed that He and God were one and the same. The Jews despised the Romans and would want not one of their own turned over for crucifixion. Something had to offend them more deeply than any other thing could for them to demand that outcome, a result the Romans were loathe to take. John 14:7-21 |
Bible Answer: SaintN, I too would be interested to know if you're really serious or just coming to the Forum with an agenda. You name doesn't play well, my friend:-( Historically, The Council at Nicea dealt with the question of the Trinity in depth. "The Nicene fathers did not pretend to have exhausted the mystery of the Trinity, and very well understood that all human knowledge, especially in this deepest, central dogma, proves itself but fragmentary. All speculation on divine things ends in a mystery, and reaches an inexplicable residue, before which the thinking mind must bow in humble devotion. "Man," says Athanasius, "can perceive only the hem of the garment of the triune God; the cherubim cover the rest with their wings." In his letter to the Monks, written about 358, he confesses that the further he examines, the more the mystery eludes his understanding, and he exclaims with the Psalmist: "Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it." Augustine says in one place: "If we be asked to define the Trinity, we can only say, it is not this or that." But though we cannot explain the how or why of our faith, still the Christian may know, and should know, what he believes, and what he does not believe, and should be persuaded of the facts and truths which form the matter of his faith." How do you propose to "rethink" the trinity and on what basis? It is clearly a doctrine taught in scripture and one that orthodox Christianity has held and believed for centuries! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |