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1 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | DocTrinsograce | 137512 | ||
Hi, Steve... The doctrine of the trinity is poorly understood, and I count myself amoung the impoverished! However, in this day and age were are particularly philosophically unsophisticated. If you want a good handle on the doctrine of the trinity, I'd start with the Nicene Creed. Study its origins and proponents at the time it was penned. (I'm thinking in particular Athanasius.) Study also the heresy of Arianism, which is what prompted the Nicene Council. As a fellow Baptist, I'd also study carefully the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith, particularly Chapter 2. (This is readily available on-line.) Unitarians are a funny folk. Although they embrace rationalism and tolerance, they throw out both when ever the subject of Protestant Reformed Orthodoxy comes up. Since their mind is their ultimate authority, the best you can do is show them that their god is finite, often fallible, and can be easily deceived. However, don't be discouraged. God is working in your friend's life one way or another. Isn't it great having a Sovereign Lord? :-) As you come to our minds, the believers in this forum will pray for you. God bless you. In Him, Doc |
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2 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | STTIL | 137535 | ||
Be careful about which Unitarians you are talking about. There are Biblical Unitarians who believe just as you do about God and His Word, except for Jesus Christ being part of a trinity. Because it isn't allowed in this forum, I will not go into the details of that belief, but if one were to go to the Scriptures with meekness instead of preconcieved ideas made by man (Like the Nicene Creed) you might be surprised by what you find. The Nicene Creed came about because of an argument between a bishop and his assistant in the time of Constantine, although the trinitarian belief has its roots in Gnosticism, starting with Justin Martyr in response to the persecution of Emperor Trajan, trying to explain the Christian religion in term the Greeks could understand using phrases from the Greek philosophers Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates. Irenaeus, a bishop of Lyons furthered the view, along with Tertullian of Carthage. There are a few others along the way before the Council of Nicea met, made and signed the Nicene Creed. I can tell you this, if you think to convince a Biblical Unitarian to believe in the Trinity, it won't work. Most Unitarians are converted Trinitarians and most already know every verse you can show them in support of the Trinity, because they used them (the verses) trying to defend the Trinity themselves. Just FYI. |
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3 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | srbaegon | 137537 | ||
Hello STTIL, There is no such thing as a Biblical Unitarian. There are only Unitarians who misuse the Bible. Just FYI. Steve |
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4 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | DocTrinsograce | 137539 | ||
Hi, Steve... although it sounds like an oxymoron, you can find "Biblical Unitarianism" all over the web. Frankly, I've never heard of such a critter. If they deny the diety of Christ, then the application of the adjuective "Biblical" must be a stretch. Weird. Live and learn, I guess! In Him, Doc |
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5 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | kalos | 137565 | ||
Doc: I agree. And I would add that if they deny the deity of Christ, then the application of the adjective "Christian" must also be a stretch. Grace to you, Kalos |
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6 | Does the Father have a God? | John 1:1 | Hank | 137568 | ||
Kalos, to deny Christ's deity and yet call oneself Christian is more than a stretch. Take 'Christ' out of 'Christian' and all that's left is 'ian,' a meaningless word fragment. Take away the deity of Christ and all that's left is a young Jew who was a liar, a deceiver, and as mad as a hatter. Jesus must be accepted for who He said He was or rejected entirely. He gives us no other options, no middle road -- and He never intended to. Christ is either God in the flesh or He is a fraud. If by 'Christian' one means a follower of Christ, and if Christ is not God in the flesh, and if those who call themselves Christian do not believe in the full deity of Christ, they are following a liar and a fraud. --Hank | ||||||