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1 | cursing? | Luke 6:28 | javelin | 154524 | ||
I think you are reading into my words things that are not there but I'll answer. It is possible to prononce a curse in the name of the Lord and it be genuinely holy and from God. Elisha did this. 2 Kings 2:24 - there are many other examples. Paul also prononces a curse in Gal 1:8 and also in 1Co 16:22 - very strong words indeed - but from a true apostle of the Lamb under inspiriation acceptable. Or do you disagree with what Paul says there ? However when most people pray prayers of "cursing" or control against their fellow xtians they are totally out of line and acting in a purely selfish way. Don't twist my words WOS, I did not say that xtians "ask God to perform witchcraft and there is 1 percent that is within God will." Very dangerous also to take words from different posts and mix them into one context to draw faulty conclusions! Is this something you do to nit-pick and twist meanings here or what ? no offence taken :) |
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2 | cursing? | Luke 6:28 | DocTrinsograce | 154537 | ||
Dear Javelin, I believe that WOS is correct on this issue. In the case of Elisha, we are talking about a very special office in Israel during the time of the Mosaic covenant. Under the covenant of grace we are minister grace with our words rather than cursing (Ephesians 4:29; James 3:9-11). Indeed, we have the admonition of Christ Himself on this subject in an even recorded in Luke 9:54-55. Galatians 1:8 and 1 Corinthians 16:22 are instances of excommunication from the church. The church was given this authority by our Lord. As the 1644 BCF divines put it, "Christ has likewise given power to his whole Church to receive in and cast out, by way of Excommunication, any member; and this power is given to every particular Congregation, and not one particular person, either member or Officer, but the whole. (Acts 2:47; Romans 16:2; Matthew 18:17; 1 Corinthians 5:4; 2 Corinthians 2:6-8)" No, we are called to intercession, not to demanding judgment upon people with whom the Father is still longsuffering. In Him, Doc |
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3 | cursing? | Luke 6:28 | javelin | 154578 | ||
Doc, While I disagree with WOS, both in substance and in manner; So far, you're the only disagreeing one who reponds to me with anything like respect. Many of the others responses are loaded with implied accusations and not so subtle judgments. Thanx. May His Royal Majesty bless you for this. So, Elisha - Special office in Israel indeed. So this is, IYO, another OT vs NT thing ? As for gal. and 1 cor. the interpretation from BFC is purely assumptive or at best, deductive. While strong puts, "an-ath'-em-ah From G394; a (religious) ban or (concretely) excommunicated (thing or person): - accursed, anathema, curse." Thayer says, "1) a thing set up or laid by in order to be kept 1a) specifically, an offering resulting from a vow, which after being consecrated to a god was hung upon the walls or columns of the temple, or put in some other conspicuous place 2) a thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed, and if an animal, to be slain; therefore a person or thing doomed to destruction 2a) a curse 2b) a man accursed, devoted to the direst of woes" Take yer pick right? Whatever serves your own belief ? Sorry not me. They are both right in some sense. But then is there virtually no translation that uses excommunicated or banned is there ? hmmm The interpretation given by BFC, while being a general truth, is not the clear and simple rendering of the actual words of the passage. Or, are you saying that our english translations are wrong? Anathema is not the exact equivalent to "excommunicated", but can indeed be a literal curse. Since God Himself spoke the blessings and the cursings of Deut. cursing cannot ALWAYS be wrong can it? But the 99 percent wrong statement I made was ignored so that one could make a federal case out of the 1 percent that I included whose meaning is "a curse of God spoken by chritians". Is that clear enuff? (or should I write a thesis on this?) :-) Paul also spoke a curse over Elymas the magician or sorcerer in acts. Peter spoke death over Annanias and Saphirra. You may say, "they were not curses, but..." whatever else you want to call it; but it was nevertheless words that brought about "evil" or calamity into the lives of those who received them wasn't it !! And they were inspired by the Holy Spirit Himself ! So....call it what you will. I mean no more than that, so please do not read other things into my words or join 2 different posts to make them say something else that I have not said. Like the heathen do with scripture to make it contradict itself - it is an evil pratice. In fact the BBE actually translates - paraphrases - the "Woes" of Jesus in Matt 23 as "A curse is on you" Ouch! For your sake, I will try to be more succinct in the future. If I decide to stick around to endure all this that is. Man you guys are sensitive, nervous and sticklers for details eh? 8-) |
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4 | cursing? | Luke 6:28 | Hank | 154582 | ||
javelin: You describe your Christian "status" in your user profile as "radical," "marginal believer," and "preacher." Would you care to define what you mean by radical and marginal believer? And to what religious group do you preach? And, by the way, do you teach your flock the virtues of humility and brotherly love, and try to practice them yourself "in real life" because, in truth, your posts on this Forum don't seem to reflect them. --Hank | ||||||
5 | cursing? | Luke 6:28 | javelin | 154627 | ||
Spare me the doubts, suspicions and condescension Hank. I've received little else since I've been here. "your posts on this Forum don't seem to reflect them" - Cloud didn't think so did he!!? I've yet to see any from any of you that enjoy scathing me so much on this forum. All you do is criticise my answers in the most self-righteous manner. And as soon as I defend myself against you - I am the guilty one. Typical of manipulators. When I defend myself you sermonize me with humility and love!!! Where is your own I ask ? What love or humility has WOS or Mark or anyone of the other javelin critics shown me? None! Radical? for Christ ! You ought to try in yourself sometime. Like Peter, Paul, John, Wesley, Finney, Spurgeon, Bunyan and the boys. You might actually learn what real discipleship is. Marginal ? Like Jesus and all other radical preachers of the centuries have been. You are the kind who would rebuke Luther for being too self-assured; you would reproach Wesley for speaking of true holiness without apology to man; you would kick Jesus Himself off your little forum here in less time than you have me! You probably already have! Wake up and see the darkness of your own hearts! |
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