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1 | cursing? | Luke 6:28 | javelin | 154524 | ||
I think you are reading into my words things that are not there but I'll answer. It is possible to prononce a curse in the name of the Lord and it be genuinely holy and from God. Elisha did this. 2 Kings 2:24 - there are many other examples. Paul also prononces a curse in Gal 1:8 and also in 1Co 16:22 - very strong words indeed - but from a true apostle of the Lamb under inspiriation acceptable. Or do you disagree with what Paul says there ? However when most people pray prayers of "cursing" or control against their fellow xtians they are totally out of line and acting in a purely selfish way. Don't twist my words WOS, I did not say that xtians "ask God to perform witchcraft and there is 1 percent that is within God will." Very dangerous also to take words from different posts and mix them into one context to draw faulty conclusions! Is this something you do to nit-pick and twist meanings here or what ? no offence taken :) |
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2 | cursing? | Luke 6:28 | Wild Olive Shoot | 154534 | ||
Javelin, I’m simply trying to make some sense of what it is you are trying to convey. Be assured, if someone has questions concerning your posts on this forum, chances are very good, there are others. You post under the guise of a “helpful Christian, or xtian” but you have generally lacked any kind of scriptural support for what you refer to many times as “your own personal experiences”. It appears to me that when you are asked a question or to validate a claim, you’re quick to go on the defensive and your defensive posture dances around the issue or question, and you offer nothing to substantiate your claims or subsequent queries, akin to the characteristics of a well trained politician. The words I used in developing my question to you, were your words, taken from different posts on the same subject. I didn’t twist your words. I simply put them together, as one would do when following a thread on this forum, in an attempt to understand your position on the subject. The words you used were very confusing and I simply asked for clarification. I think that is a tolerable practice on this forum? I beg to differ with you on the point that Paul pronounced curses on fellow Christians in the scriptures you reference. In Galatians 1: “8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!” Paul condemns those who would pervert the true gospel. Then concerning 1 Corinthians 16: “22If anyone does not love the Lord, he is to be accursed Maranatha.” Accursed are those who do not love the Lord. So please tell me, what Christians do you know who would purposely pervert the Gospel or do not have the love for the Lord in their hearts. You point them out and I’ll hold fast to the opinion, they are not true Christians. Therefore, we cannot claim that Paul pronounced curses on fellow Christians. So again, I ask you, where do you find it acceptable for Christians to utter curses against other Christians, or use witchcraft, as you yourself previously defined it, that is aligned with God’s will? You yourself said 99 percent of those are not aligned with God’s will and then reiterate the fact that there are some that are as in your last post as you stated… “However when most people pray prayers of "cursing" or control against their fellow xtians they are totally out of line and acting in a purely selfish way.” So please tell me where we find in the word of God that as Christians, we are told it is acceptable to pronounce certain curses on the brethren. From your position and defense thereof, apparently it is there somewhere. If I am in the wrong for asking you to clarify a position and to support it with sound scripture, let the forum say so and I’ll oblige them by ending my inquiries. I’m here to learn more about Word of God as others are. I feel I’m in line with forum guidelines in asking you to clarify, so please do. WOS |
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3 | cursing? | Luke 6:28 | javelin | 154576 | ||
WOS : You accuse me of saying what I did not say, you mis-intepret my and then tell me I’m not being clear. Fine. But worse, you boldly say, "You post under the guise of a “helpful Christian..but you have generally lacked any kind of scriptural support…" So now I am under a guise? That is an unsubtle accusation to being a phoney. I have no problem with clarifying things, I do have a problem when people twist words to mean what was not said. Mine or others. Perhaps I assume too much. Nothing I've said is new, unorthodox or unknown. It is taught in 1000's of churches around the world daily. Perhaps many here are not part of bible teaching churches as I assumed. Ok, fine. No problem. Whatever. You still made my words into something they are not. When you take words from 2 difierent posts and join them together into one you are applying your own penchants to them. You've done exactly like those who take "You shall not kill" with "put to death every man and woman, every child and baby at the breast, every ox and sheep..."; put them together and say the bible contradicts itself and God is a blood-thirsty monster (an accusation I've debated more than once). You can make the bible say anything you want, provide all the verses you want and it still may be false doctrine. A lot of the posts here are false doctrine and no one complains!! WOS, I'm actually very surprised at the negative reactions I've gotten here. Every time I post something that seems --to me-- to be simple, reasonable and provided with scripture - that you say is absent - I'm amazed at the anti reactions I get! It's like constantly stirring up a bees nest. And I have to go back, re-read my own posts, to try and figure how you managed such interpretations. I've not see this kind of reaction since the days I did the atheist forums where they treat u like sh*t, call you names, deny everything and anything concerning the bible, swear and curse at you etc. On the defensive? You bet, I've been here less than a week and have been attacked from all sides for almost every little thing I say!! I am a preacher of righteousness, a teacher of the Word which I love more than "much fine gold"; and have paid very dearly for that love over the last 30 years. I've preached and taught the bible for 30 some years, how bout you? I get very few reactions like this, ever!! I must say I find it surprising and in fact alarming - it serves to reiterate to me why the church has more than 25000 denominations and 3 more created each week. 25000 and counting "divorces" amongst christians in the last 2 centuries!! Shame! Are you guys bible college students trying to prove something; fresh outta school preachers who think they are fountains of wisdom instead of little squirts or what?! Please can the sanctimonious holier-than-thou speeches and sermons and stop putting subtle insinuations in the responses you make! I am not the enemy! I said cursing amongst xtians is wrong - it is always wrong and I cited whole sections of scripture - which you say is absent – it is even wrong to curse the unbeliever, but there are a very few curses against some people who are bent-set against God and the church or deep hypocrites, that can be right and godly whether you like it or not. Paul spoke blindness over the evil man in Act 13:11 " And now, see, the hand of the Lord is on you, and you will be blind and not able to see the sun for a time. And straight away a dark mist came down on him; and he went about looking for a guide. " You will surely say, that is not a curse! But the guy who was blinded sure thought it was. Or what about Peter pronouncing death on Ananias and Saphirra? Death not a curse?!? Since when? But that was not witchcraft!! - as I said before witchcraft, in the sense of the original context of this subject, is trying to use supernatural powers to accomplish one's own selfish will over others - a spirit of control if you will. When God pronounces a curse can it be witchcraft? Of course not!! Did you read that or are you going to look for a flaw in the language and force me to repeat it in 5 different versions? |
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4 | cursing? | Luke 6:28 | Wild Olive Shoot | 154581 | ||
Javelin I would rather not dignify that with anything other than I think it best we end our discussion, you and I. I feel you’re misrepresenting the Word and using it out of context, you feel your not. Let’s leave it at that. Peace to you WOS |
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