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1 | Explaination of Mark 13:28-31 | Mark 13:28 | SRN | 33785 | ||
I must admit I was a bit rash in my statement. Although it is true to a degree. We can't be sure it wasn't all in the enthusiasm of the times. Taken from the the original gospels and run with. I have documents of Jesus being in Tibet and India. I have gospels according to Mary, Thomas and Philip. With histories to claim as fact. Your second paragraph on sophists. I don't know how knowledgeable you're on Gnostic Christianity. I know you were pointing out historical Jesus but sophists don't believe in Jesus as an entity per se/ Have a good week-end | ||||||
2 | Explaination of Mark 13:28-31 | Mark 13:28 | Morant61 | 33787 | ||
Greetings SRN! Have a good week-end!!! I have to work every weekend! :-( Thanks for the thought though! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Historical Jesus questioned? | Mark 13:28 | SRN | 34154 | ||
I was expecting a response on the sophist theory/s. But I'm glad you didn't because I read again through it and am fasinated/confused. Your quote; Part1 2) Lucian: Referred to Christ as "...the mn wh was crucified in Palestie because he introduced this new cult into the world Is this your belief? Jesus was a 'cult' leader. part2 ....Furthermore, their first lawgve persuaded them that they were all brothers one of another after they have trasgressed once for all by denying the Greek gods. Why the referal to greek gods rarher than fullfillment of scripture?/ part 3 and by worshipping that crucified sophist himself and living under his laws." (p. 84). I just read a book on the subject of the myth goddess Sophia, and everything in there is so far from what we're actually discussing here, a new strain [no pun intended] would be needed. No a very convincing extract to prove the actual existence of Jesus. |
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4 | Historical Jesus questioned? | Mark 13:28 | Morant61 | 34187 | ||
Greetings SRN! The occasion of these quotes was your remark that there was no other evidence, other than the Bible, for the existence of Jesus. Thus, I provided several historical quotes which indicate that Jesus was an historical figure, with whom the rest of the world was aware. However, that doesn't mean that I agree with each statement or opinion listed in these quotes. I will touch upon each of your questions. 1) No, I do not consider Jesus to be a cult leader. However, that is what Lucian believed about Jesus. Under our modern definition of a cult (general definition), Christ would be a "cult" leader in the sense that He began a splinter group from Judaism. This is what the references to "cult leader" refer to, the breaking away or starting of a new group. 2) Why did Lucian refer to the Greek gods? Simple, he wasn't a Christian. To him, the Christians were foolish for worshipping Christ and not the Greek gods. Thus, his comment is simply part of his attempt to poke fun at Christianity. 3) Lucian's reference to Christ as a sophist can be taken one of two ways (given that he is poking fun of Christians in this passage, not supporting them). a) He could be calling Jesus a name. At one point in history, a 'sophist' was a put down of one who taught only for money. Thus, he could be saying this about Jesus. b) He could be describing Jesus' ministry with the only word he could think of to describe it. Lucian was trained in rhetoric and was familiar with Sophistry. Sophists would often travel around and teach. Thus, he may simply be trying to describe Jesus as a traveling teacher. Either way, the tone of the quote is hostile to both Jesus and Christianity. Yet, acknowledges that Jesus did in fact exist. If Lucian were aware, and he lived early enough to know, that Jesus did not actually exist and was simply a myth, then Lucian would have been able to use that evidence to further poke fun at Christianity. The fact that he doesn't is evidence of the existence of Jesus. So, I would consider this very powerful evidence for the existence of Jesus. Lucian was not a Christian, did not agree wih Christianity, and considered Christians foolish. Yet, even he acknowledges that Jesus lived and was crucified. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Historical Jesus questioned? | Mark 13:28 | SRN | 34283 | ||
Thank you Tim. You've cleared a lot up for me there. I was sute I was reading you correctly. I do believe in Jesus that Jesus walked the earth. I do believe however that Jesus' was more of a public figure than is led to believe. I used to just believe it then not believe it then I would believe Lucifer to be the superior God. I was a junkie I loved my neighbors like I loved myself and I hated myself. I tried all kinds of ways to get away from myself. Then I read started thinking about Jesus the man. I began to investigate and learn and talk. Now JESUS is the POWER. I'm leaving the forum now as I got a warning from the foundation bla bla because some didn't agree but they right I'm not going to put a millstone around my neck and go to the bottom of the ocean because of being misunderstood. There is so much more to learn but I'm not going to get it here. Good bye and PRAISE GOD FOR GIVING US THE CHOICE TO THINK. |
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