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1 | Why doesn’t God just show himself to tho | Mark 11:22 | Lionstrong | 66250 | ||
Thanks for the clarification, Wade, I'm at odds with the rest of members of the forum when it comes to my views on the "facts" of science. But no matter. ****************************** John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. Heb 1:1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, Heb 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son... Wade, you wrote, "All we have to go on to believe in God is what we see in nature." Isn't this an overstatement? Don't we have the whole Bible (God's word) to tell us who and what God is? In the OT God revealed himself through his prophets, in the NT through Christ and his apostles. ****************************************** John 6:69, "We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God." You wrote, "I don't believe God will ever allow that because then we wouldn't need faith." Now I know you're talking about scientific knowledge, but such a statement puts faith at odds with knowledge. The popular sentiment is that if we don't know we must believe, and if know we don't need to believe. This is outrageously false. As I said in the thread above, biblical faith is never separated from fact/truth/knowledge. This is why the Apostles could say; "We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God." (John 6:69) ******************************** 1 Cor 15:1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 1 Cor 15:2 BY WHICH ALSO YOU ARE SAVED [my caps], if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 1 Cor 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 1 Cor 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,... Wade, you wrote, "...but I believe that because of faith not facts." This statement is at best confused. Creation, the Fall, the Flood, the crossing of the Red Sea, the birth, crucifixion burial and resurrection of Christ are all historical facts. If one does not believe the historical facts of the Gospel of Christ one cannot be saved. *********************************** I think part of the confusion is not seeing God's word as being true facts (redundant, I know), not seeing it as knowledge, that which is not only to be believed, but also known, "hard" facts given to man by God himself. To see "hard facts" as applying to science alone is to have a misconception of truth or knowledge. I've rambled enough. Peace, |
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2 | Why doesn’t God just show himself to tho | Mark 11:22 | cwade | 66304 | ||
Lionstrong, I'm not making myself clear. We (believers) do have the whole Bible to base our belief on. But what do unbelievers have? They don't believe the Bible. They have nature as proof of God's existence. But if they do not believe in God or the Bible, quoting the Bible to them is nonsense. In fact, quoting the Bible in reference to my comment misses the whole point I was trying to make. I'm simply saying that without faith, without a pre-existing belief in God, without the Bible to quote from, all unbelievers have to BEGIN with is the evidence of God in nature. I assumed I was responding to an unbeliever (jmartin). I assumed jmartin does not accept the Bible as truth, so quoting it to him (at this point) would be jumping ahead. I was trying to start with the very basics by explaining that God wants us to come to Him in faith because of what is obvious (His existence in nature). From there I would have eventually begun quoting the Bible. But some well-meaning brothers jumped in and we got off on this tangent. I think John 6:69 confirms what I'm trying to say: the apostles first BELIEVED (faith) and then were able to KNOW (facts). Faith comes first. I agree with you: the Bible is provable and every word is true (even though every provable point is hotly debated). I didn't want to get into all that with an unbeliever and only add to his confusion at a time when he seems to be seeking. I just wanted him to know there was a Christian out there who would begin at the beginning and address his questions without thumping the Bible at him. If I have upset you or any of the brethren with my elementary level comments I apologize and withdraw them. In Christ, cwade | ||||||