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1 | Rowdy What part of the OT do you abolish | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121624 | ||
I'll answer your question with a question. Which portion of the OT are you NOT following? When and where do you sacrifice animals every day? How do you trace your lineage back to Abraham? Do you coordinate your sacrifices with the Levites? How do know they're true Levites? Do you support men's option to divorce their wives with a simple letter? No need for guilt of any kind? Do you support your fellow man's option to secure "eye for eye or tooth for tooth" in retribution for wrongs done to him? If you DON'T do these things? Please tell me how do you live by and enforce only a portion of the OT? Do you treat the NT similarly in spite of the Lord's command otherwise? And of course, please provide scriptural references for each of these points. How do you reconcile the verse above with the one I cited in my post, Col 2:14. How do you reconcile the contrast between the OT and the NT throughout the Book of Hebrews? As I stated in my post, I don't wish to abolish the OT but merely recognize It for what It was and this is the Law of Moses, notice the use of word Old vs. New. Even the group who organized the current Bible known as the canon recognized the Old Testament was obsolete as that expression must have originated with them. No, we dare NOT dismiss the OT but cling to It with every fiber of our being. As I stated in a previous post a month or more ago, without the OT we wouldn't be able to understand completely the NT nor would we have its beauty in the poetical books of Psalms or Song of Solomon. We would lose out completely by NOT knowing the creation of the world or how God dealt with His Family of Jews, sometimes kindly and merciful and sometimes with harshness and severity, at least by human standards. No dear friend, we must cling to our OTs so that we can know God more intimately than we see Him in the NT. Remember He gave Christ the preiminance as mentioned already in Hebrews. He also gave Him all authority. So how do you reconcile Matt 28 AND the transfiguration in Matt 17, Mark 9 and Luke 9? You might notice as I think it's quite significant that all three Gospel writers thought it was significant to mention the detail about God's instruction to them and to us, the whole world "Listen to Him." He didn't say anything about Elijah or Moses who were standing beside Jesus but God says "Listen to His Son." I don't see how I could any more clear about this subject. I've said all I can think to be germaine about this subject. But I'd be interested in what you think, especially the questions to the above. It all boils down to authority. Who are you, I and the rest of the world going to recognize as having authority in this dispensation? Just as Peter discovered while walking on water, if we'll keep our focus on Jesus, we're great, we can take on the whole world of sin. But if we listen to anyone else and take our focus off Him, then we lose our balance and have to depend on His mercy. He would much rather see us grow spiritually and learn to rely on Him instead of "falling into the hand of God" unprepared. I do hope this helps in your understanding and God bless. --Rowdy |
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2 | Rowdy What part of the OT do you abolish | Matt 5:17 | Searcher56 | 121739 | ||
-Which portion of the OT are you NOT following? ... Service - Sanctuary - Sacrifice (Heb 9-10) -When and where do you sacrifice animals every day? ... Not now, what does Zephaniah 3 say? -How do you trace your lineage back to Abraham? ... By faith (Gal 3:7, 29) -Do you coordinate your sacrifices with the Levites? ... No -How do know they're true Levites? ... They can trace their lineage -Do you support men's option to divorce their wives with a simple letter? No need for guilt of any kind? ... Actually the only divorce I support is if a nonbeliever leaves (1 Cor 7:12-17). Adultery was grounds because of the hardness of heart (Deut 24:1-4, Matt 19:7-9, Mark 10:3-12). -Do you support your fellow man's option to secure "eye for eye or tooth for tooth" in retribution for wrongs done to him? ... Matthew 5:38 has the word "said" vice "written". Exodus 21:22-25 is still in effect. But, it is not me who appoints the penalty. If you DON'T do these things? Please tell me how do you live by and enforce only a portion of the OT? ... I think the OT should be enforced, except for what I wrote above. Do you treat the NT similarly in spite of the Lord's command otherwise? ... I believe we should follow the NT |
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3 | Rowdy What part of the OT do you abolish | Matt 5:17 | Rowdy | 121746 | ||
Now, we're making substantial progress. Although, some of your answers are a little weak as cited but I guess you can see that for yourself. Now all that is left is the few points below: How do you reconcile Paul's teaching in Col 2:14? "If you DON'T do these things, please tell me how do you live by and enforce only a portion of the OT?" You still haven't explained from the scriptures any justification for picking and choosing which portion from the OT and NT you want to follow. Don't you see, the only way a person could possibly defend keeping the OT is to observe the WHOLE thing. "Do you treat the NT similarly in spite of the Lord's command otherwise? I believe we should follow the NT" Your response seems to be contradictory to your previous statement. Do you follow the OT or NT when they're in conflict? i.e. divorce and marriage. Remember we're being honest and Bible based. "Remember He gave Christ the preiminance as mentioned already in Hebrews. He also gave Him all authority. So how do you reconcile Matt 28 AND the transfiguration in Matt 17, Mark 9 and Luke 9? You might notice as I think it's quite significant that all three Gospel writers thought it was significant to mention the detail about God's instruction to them and to us, the whole world "Listen to Him." He didn't say anything about Elijah or Moses who were standing beside Jesus but God says "Listen to His Son." You also haven't completed your response to the story of the transfiguration of Jesus as cited above. How does this square with your putting the OT side by side with the NT when God Almighty clearly said "Listen to Him?" You didn't touch on the contrast between the two, OT and the NT with reference to the day of worship, Sabbath vs. the first day of the week. How can you reconcile these two separate items of guidance? From a previous thread: How do you reconcile the new guidance in the NT concerning forgiveness to our enemies when the OT clearly allows a man to seek retribution, "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." Matt 5:38-44 vs. Ex 21:24, Lev 24:20 and Deut 19:21. "It all boils down to authority. Who are you, I and the rest of the world going to recognize as having authority in this dispensation? Just as Peter discovered while walking on water, if we'll keep our focus on Jesus, we're great, we can take on the whole world of sin. But if we listen to anyone else and take our focus off Him, then we lose our balance and have to depend on His mercy. He would much rather see us grow spiritually and learn to rely on Him instead of "falling into the hand of God" unprepared." I know it wasn't a specific point in my post but I alluded to the concept briefly just above. How do you reconcile the fact the NT puts so much emphasis on Christ, indeed God put Him in charge of everything, "all authority" from Matt 28? How does this square with the OT with its obvious emphasis on the Law of Moses? God bless. --Rowdy |
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