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1 | Can Pareyr change God's plan? | Ex 32:14 | Cyclist | 54187 | ||
Good Morning daffy! Great is the Lord and greatly to be praised! How wonderful are His mercies! How marvelous are His works! Praise be to Jesus Christ who thought not of Himself but gave His life for the sins of the world! Praise Him! Praise Him! Very good question. I 've pondered this myself. I look forward to seeing some the postings on this. For now though, I find at least four recorded accounts in the Old Testament where prayer changed what God said He was going to do. See: Exodus 32:9-14, Psalms 106:40-45, Jeremiah 26:18-19, and Amos 7 the entire chapter. Again, I look forward to reading some of the postings by our more knowledgable forum members because, like yourself, when I read Romans 9 I see that God has pre-destinated and pre-ordained everything. Hope this helps a little, Cyclist I will bless the Lord at all times! His praise shall continually be in my mouth! |
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2 | Can Pareyr change God's plan? | Ex 32:14 | Reformer Joe | 54196 | ||
Cyclist: Just remember that God in his omniscience knew that these men would offer prayers, so it is best to think of "God changing his mind" as an apparent change in time and space rather than a change of direction in the eternal, infinitely wise decree of an all-knowing God. A good example is the Exodus passage. Did God really "forget" His promises, or did His stated intention being to Moses' mind (and ours, being readers of the account) the promises that He made to Israel? The idea of a finite member of God's creation "reminding" a forgetful God of something that had slipped His mind should not sit too comfortably with us at all. --Joe! |
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3 | Can Pareyr change God's plan? | Ex 32:14 | Cyclist | 54212 | ||
Joe, Thank you for your input! As I typed in my response to daffy, I look forward to seeing some of the postings on this, not seeking opportunity to challenge anyone or begin a debate, but, it has been a question in mind for many years. I looked in different translations because, as I typed in my answer (to daffy): "when I read Romans 9 I see that God has pre-destinated and pre-ordained everything.", I have always wondered why it is written "God changed His mind". I have always been of the mind that "I will not question the Lord my God", and still am, so I have never asked about this until now. Here are the results from the translations I looked into: NIV - "relented" NASB - "changed His mind" AMPLIFIED - "turned from" NEW LIVING TRANSLATION - "withdrew from His threat" KJV - "repented" NEW KJV - "relented from" 21st CENTURY KJV - "repented" ASV - "repented" YOUNGS LITERAL TRANS - "repenteth" DARBY - "repented" Also you write "so it is best to think of "God changing his mind" as an apparent change in time and space....." I have two things to say in response; First of all, and please, please, please do not take offense, when someone says, or types in this case, to me when discussing the word of God "so it is best to think...". I always question, Is this man's wisdom? Is there scripture to back what is being said/written? Second, I do not understand this part "...as an apparent change in time and space.....". Thanks again Joe for your post. I have read some of your posts since I've been a part of this forum, and, have learned from them. In Jesus, Cyclist I will bless the Lord at all times! His praise shall continually be in my mouth! |
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4 | Can Pareyr change God's plan? | Ex 32:14 | Reformer Joe | 54219 | ||
Cyclist: I understand your spirit, and I share with you in your praises to God our King. I am not one to take offense easily. Having read my posts, you know that I tend to throw myself into situations which require a thick skin. We are brothers in Christ seeking the truth together. In seeking the truth together, however, we must reconcile the texts you mentioned with ones like these: "God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?" --Numbers 23:19 So we have some verses which say He "repents" and others which say that it isn't in His nature to need to do so. You have brought up an important issue because it points to a controversy going in in many parts of the evangelical church right now. A group of theologians who classify themselves as "Open Theists" basically conclude that God does not know the future because it has not happened yet. This heresy holds that God is as smart as possible, a really good guesser at times, but that God can be wrong and hence, changes His mind based on "new circumstances" that come to light. Now I am not suggesting at all that you fall into this camp, but I think that everyone should be aware that there are well-known seminary professors spewing these falsehoods, as well as evangelical pastors preaching this unbiblical view from the pulpit. Now back to the matter at hand: does God repent or doesn't he? In order to resolve this paradox, I think it is important to look at the attributes of God. For example, if Moses had not "reminded" God of His covenant promises not only to them but as far back as Abraham (at least), would God really have destroyed Israel and thus have become a liar? Was God really change His mind about making Saul king, when as a member of the tribe of Benjamin, his offspring could never have fulfilled the previously made prophecies concerning the Messiah being a Judahite and the line of Judah itself being the ruling line (Genesis 49:10)? As we look at things like this, the evidence begins to stack up against God needing the input of His people to get His job done. Rather than filling up my quota of 5000 words, as I am apt to do, I would like to point you to something Dr. John Piper wrote on the issue. Let me know what you think! http://www.desiringgod.org/Online_Library/OnlineArticles/FreshWords/1998/11nov98.htm --Joe! |
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5 | Can Pareyr change God's plan? | Ex 32:14 | Cyclist | 54225 | ||
I will check it out brother, THANKS! |
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