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1 | what does Mark 8:27-38 verses mean | Mark | DocTrinsograce | 142876 | ||
Thank you, Lionstrong... If you don't mind... another question here: In Matthew 27:50 is the word aphiemi passive or active? This phrase sounds like Christ performed a specific act in order to die. (Compare also Luke 23:46 and John 19:30). John Gill comments on this verse with, (Christ) "'dismissed the Spirit', as the Syriac version truly renders it; he sent it away. It was not taken from him, he laid down his life of himself, as the Lord of it, and gave himself freely to be an offering and sacrifice in the room of his people; which is a proof of his great love, and amazing grace unto them." Matthew Henry says something quite similar. Thank you for your patience. In Him, Doc |
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2 | what does Mark 8:27-38 verses mean | Mark | Lionstrong | 143038 | ||
Matt 27:50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. The act of murder had been committed by Jesus' murderers, and the Lord yielded up His spirit. Jesus did not murder himself; He did not commit suicide. The Scripture is plain, "Acts 2:23 this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. Acts 3:14 "But you disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, Acts 3:15 but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses. Acts 5:30 "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. Acts 10:39 "We are witnesses of all the things He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross. 1 Cor 2:8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; Men were "responsible" for the murder of the Christ not Jesus. God is not "responsible;" He is Sovereign. |
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3 | what does Mark 8:27-38 verses mean | Mark | DocTrinsograce | 143076 | ||
Well, that doesn't really answer my question... even there in Acts he is speaking to the Jews and says "whom you had put to death." One could argue that the Romans had Christ put to death, not the Jews. I'm not denying responsibility in the slightest degree -- both Jews and Romans were responsible for the act. But God is Sovereign, Christ's death would not have been possible unless He had laid down His life. Christ's death was not something done to Him -- it was an act He performed Himself (see the passages I cited in the previous post). Perhaps this is an antimony. In Him, Doc |
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4 | what does Mark 8:27-38 verses mean | Mark | Lionstrong | 143083 | ||
Matt 27:50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. Where in this verse does one get that murder "was an act He performed Himself" or that Jesus killed himself? In the Scripture we have explicit statements as to who was "responsible" for the death of Christ. We have explicit statements of the sovereign predestination of the death of Christ. Contrariwise, we have NO explicit statements that God was "responsible" for the death of Christ. The claim is that the sovereignty of God IMPLIES the "responsibility" of God. This is a fallacious implication of the express statements of Scripture. Matt 27:35 And when they had crucified Him, they divided up His garments among themselves by casting lots. ... Matt 27:50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. Men crucified Jesus. Could they have done it contrary to the sovereign predestinating plan of God? No, men are "responsible" not sovereign. Christ "yielded up His spirit." "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father." (John 10:17, 18) This passage asserts authority, sovereignty, not "responsibility." God is sovereign, not "responsible." Neither Jesus nor the Father killed Jesus. He gave his life and men murdered him. There are express statements to that effect in Scripture, and there are no express statements in Scripture that say Jesus killed himself or that the Father did. There are express statements of the sovereignty of God in the death of Christ. Sovereignty does not imply "responsibility." |
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