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1801 | How can we influence who is saved? | 1 Pet 2:9 | Reformer Joe | 27538 | ||
Robert: Although every fiber of my being wishes to debate this with you, this discussion has already occurred at length several times in the forum. My friends here don't like it when I help fan the Calvinist threads into flame over and over again. :) So, I will point you to the search function of the forum and recommend that you type in "elect" or "chosen" and see what wealth of debate pops up! I would also recommend a book if you wish to understand the Calvinist perspective on evangelism. It is called _Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God_ by J.I. Packer. Basically, in a nutshell, the Calvinist perspective holds that while God does indeed call the elect unto himself, outwardly he primarily uses the preaching of his word by human beings as a means of grace. Therefore, while we cannot stifle God's sovereignty, our evangelism serves as our taking part in God's plan of calling his chosen to himself. That, and God told us to preach the Gospel, so it is a matter of obedience as well. --Joe! |
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1802 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 42814 | ||
You write: "There are some that would say that we need to suffer, but God says in His Word in 1 Peter 2:24b that by His stripes we were healed." The whole book of Peter is about suufering for the sake of Christ. You have quoted one verse, which refers to our healing from sin (see Isaiah 53), and missed the entire point of the book, which most definitely says that there are godly reasons to suffer: "In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ" --1 Peter 1:6-7 "For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly. For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God. FOR YOU HAVE BEENCALLED FOR THIS PURPOSE, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps" --1 Peter 2:19-21 "For it is better, IF GOD SHOULD WILL IT SO, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong." --1 Peter 3:17 "Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you; but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation." --1 Peter 4:12-13 "Therefore, those also who suffer ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD shall entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right." --1 Peter 4:19 "But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world. After you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself perfect, confirm, strengthen and establish you." --1 Peter 5:9-10 Peter says that suffering is appointed by God, and has purpose. But so does Paul: "For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake" --Philippians 1:29 "Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me--to keep me from exalting myself! Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.' --2 Corinthians 12:7-10 God uses suffering; God uses disease. And yes, God sometimes miraculously heals disease. We can always be assured that nothing happens to us without our sovereign God permitting it to happen (Matthew 10:29-31) for His purposes (Romans 8:28). --Joe! |
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1803 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 42863 | ||
So you just choose to ignore all of those Bible verses...that's real solid theology! --Joe! |
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1804 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 43039 | ||
Okay...you get "back to the front" with your misunderstanding of God, then! Good thing you aren't letting a little thing like the BIBLE getting in the way of your false teachings. After all, you FEEL it, so it MUST be real! --Joe! |
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1805 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 43042 | ||
You wrote: "Those were some great scritures and I'm sure they back up your doctrine (suffering doctrine), but as I mentioned before, I don't believe in it." And, as I mentioned before: "So you just choose to ignore all of those Bible verses...that's real solid theology!" False teaching about our great God really disgusts Him. You are making a mockery of who He really is, building false images of Him just like Aaron did with the golden calf. You tell people who are sick and dying that they are in that situaton because they do not have enough faith. What paganism, and how cruel you are to those who need to hear the truth rather than your "health-and-wealth gospel" lies. Maybe you should read Galatians 1 to see what Paul had to say about false gospels. Oh, that's right: that's in that old, stale book again. Why bother with that when you can be experiencing a "fresh word" from whatever false teacher that happens down the pike to give you your next emotional high. It is precisely because of anti-thinking heretics like yourself that American evangelicalism is in such dire straits today. --Joe! |
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1806 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 43091 | ||
Where do you go to church that you hear such false teachings? --Joe! |
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1807 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 43148 | ||
Wow...so much error, so little Scripture! Where to begin? Let's start with the small stuff and then get to the biggest, baddest heresy of all at the end. You started off pretty good: "The suffering doctrine has these basic suppositions: Since suffering happens and since God runs and controls everything--then suffering is either authored by God or allowed by God." Almost perfect. Just don't forget to mention in your thesis that God has purpose in our suffering. You wrote: 'If God authors or allows suffering it must be: . as the punishment (loving correction, discipline of His children, Punishment or discipline, which are not the same thing. I have this book called the Bible which talks all about it. Like David in Psalm 32. And in Hebrews: "You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin; and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM; FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES." It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN and not sons.' --Hebrews 12:4-8 ". so that He can have opportunities to demostrate His faithfulness to us in hard times" Yes, like with Moses in Exodus 6. He tells the Egyptians just what God tells him to say, and that is when the Egyptians makes the life of the Israelites really difficult. And look how God responds: 'Then Moses returned to the LORD and said, "O Lord, why have You brought harm to this people? Why did You ever send me? Ever since I came to Pharaoh to speak in Your name, he has done harm to this people, and You have not delivered Your people at all." Then the LORD said to Moses, "NOW you shall see what I will do to Pharaoh; for under compulsion he will let them go, and under compulsion he will drive them out of his land."' --Exodus 5:22-6:1 And most people know just what SUFFERING he then brought upon Egypt! God demonstrates his power in our weakness (2 Cortinthians 12:9) ". so we in turn can demonstrate our trust in Him is spite of adverse circumstances" Yes, I already quoted 2 Corinthians 12:7-10. It was one of those Bible passages you chose to completely ignore. " or . to test our free will and make a way for us to grow spiritually." Too many passages to quote here, but if you still own a Bible, you can open it up to Romans 5 and 2 Peter 1 and James 1 to see how God foreordains trials for our sanctification. But that's just that old Bible again! You have the true revelation in yourself, right? If your "anti-suffering doctrine" is correct, you are going to have to deal with these Scripture passages, or it is indeed you who are the illegitimate child, following the doctrines of demons. More later. This one is going to take a while! --Joe! |
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1808 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 43224 | ||
And on we go... You wrote: "Therefor, if we suffer, it must be Gods will that we suffer and: . We should be content with the assurance that God (through His GRACE) will help us get through it." That's what the BIBLE says. 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 again. . We should be content with the assurance that God will NEVER ask us to bear any burden which we are unable to bear (even if it KILLS us). God ordains our suffering: "therefore, we ourselves speak proudly of you among the churches of God for your perseverance and faith in the midst of all your persecutions and afflictions which you endure. This is a plain indication of God's righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are SUFFERING." --2 Thessalonians 1:4-5 And yes, God ordains that some will DIE for the gospel. ". We should be content with the assurance that our suffering WILL end when we DIE (As opposed to the unbeliever whose suffering will never end)" Yeah, like the BIBLE says: "For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us." --Romans 8:18 Now no one who has their theology based on Scripture would say that God is powerless to end our suffering, and indeed He often does to show His power and glory. But we see in cases such as Job 1 where it is both intended and decreed by God for a particular purpose. Now on to your blasphemous errors regarding the character and nature of God... --Joe! |
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1809 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 43404 | ||
Now let's see just how wrong you are about the nature of God Himself. It is so true that our knowledge of the true God affects how we live our lives and worship him, so let's see if you have that right. You wrote: "The primary error of the teaching-is in the primary supposition itself! The supposition that God is running, controlling everything-which is simply not true." Hmmm...denial of God's sovereignty. Big error number one in your understanding of God. The BIBLE says: "But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases." --Psalm 115:3 " The steps of a man are established by the LORD, And He delights in his way." --Psalm 37:23 "The mind of man plans his way, But the LORD directs his steps." --Proverbs 16:9 "Man's steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way?" --Proverbs 20:24 "I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps." --Jeremiah 10:9 "Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father." --Matthew 10:29 "for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.'" --Acts 17:28 God is sovereign over every detail of existence. You are worshiping a false God if you say He is not. You wrote: "God the Father is on His throne in Heaven, Jesus is seated there at His right hand and the Holy Spirit is here with us on earth." The BIBLE says that God is omnipresent. No person of the Trinity is confined to time and space. "Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me." --Psalm 139:7-10 To deny the omnipresence of God is to deny the God of the Bible. You wrote: "The Father and Jesus have ALREADY done- All they are going to do until Jesus returns and gathers His saints." What blasphemy! Let's look at the BIBLE. Is the Father doing nothing? Then Paul's prayer is in vain: "For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints, do not cease giving thanks for you, while making mention of you in my prayers; that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him." --Ephesians 1:15-17 We already saw in Acts 17 how God holds all things together, but let's see what else the BIBLE says: "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." --1 Cor 8:6 Speaking of Christ, "He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." --Colossians 1:17 The Holy Spirit has His own role within the Godhead, but to say that the Father and the Son are just sitting back, removed from everything, is to deny the words of Scripture. You wrote: "The Father sent the Holy Spirit with the same power and the same gifts that He had provided for Jesus in the earth. Jesus after His resurrection, proclaimed-"ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME!" And then turned around and said that we were to have the same dominion and authority-by the power of attorney-of His Name! The Name of Jesus!" Show me from the BIBLE that all Christians have the same authority that Christ has. It is simply made-up nonsense. --Joe! |
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1810 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 43405 | ||
You wrote: "What I am saying-is that God the Father delegated running of things here on earth-to Jesus! And that Jesus delegated running of things here on earth-TO US! So, who is supposed to be running things here on Earth? WE ARE!" And this is the blasphemous result of getting God all wrong. We suddenly become "little Jesuses" who are no different at all from the Son of God. We are Christ's ambassadors, his empowered representatives. However, Christ is still the ACTING head of the church (Ephesians 1:25, 5:23; Colossians 1:18): "Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God." --Colossians 2:18-19 Listen, I know from your profile that you claim to have been a Christian for less than two years. Do you really think that in such a short time you have mastered the truth regarding God, that you have it all figured out? I have been a Christian for two decades, and after years and years of study I still have so much to learn about God. However, I do know from what I have been taught through the BIBLE is that suffering is not a mistake, it is not something beyond the control of a weak and impotent God, and that it is something that the apostles rejoiced in and we are commanded to endure. You may close your Bible, lock it up in a safe, cover your ears, close your eyes, and repeat, "I do not believe in the 'suffering doctrine'" all that you like. It will not change for one second what the TRUTH about God is, and the God you are claiming to worship is NOT the true and living God as revealed in the Scriptures. What you are guilty of is idolatry, and do not think for one moment that God will not hold you accountable for rejecting His revelation in favor of a made-up "God." --Joe! |
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1811 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 43463 | ||
Thanks for the encouragement, Hank. Even if my words do fall into disfavor, I have spoken the words of life, and God is sovereign with the results of the truth being spoken. "So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it." --Isaiah 55:11 --Joe! |
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1812 | Healing by Strips physical or not | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 82450 | ||
You wrote: "but I dont believe it was His will manafested on earth for your son to die" The Bible teaches: 'You turn man back into dust And say, "Return, O children of men.' --Psalm 90:3 "Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father." --Matthew 10:29 --Joe! |
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1813 | Are we at the mercyof Gods moodswings? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 82627 | ||
'He said to the judges, "Consider what you are doing, for you do not judge for man but for the LORD who is with you when you render judgment. Now then let the fear of the LORD be upon you; be very careful what you do, for the LORD our God will have no part in unrighteousness or partiality or the taking of a bribe."' --2 Chronicles 19:6-7 "For there is no partiality with God. For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified." --Romans 2:11-13 "With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him." --Ephesians 6:7-9 "For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality." --Colossians 3:25 'Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him."' --Acts 10:34-35 Every last one of the passages you gave speaks about lack of partiality regarding the justice of God. Nothing at all about giving everyone the same station in life, the same state of health, the same opportunities, etc. When the KJV speaks of God not being a respecter of persons, it ALWAYS has to do with God punishing the guilty and rewarding the righteous. It never has anything to do with causing and/or allowing healing and sickness. --Joe! |
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1814 | Noah and his family | 1 Pet 3:20 | Reformer Joe | 6141 | ||
Are you suggesting that Noah changed God's mind on ending "all flesh"? I don't think we should assume that God ever intended on wiping the entire human race off the face of the earth for several reasons: 1. Satan wins in that scenario (Genesis 3:15). 2. The plan for salvation through Christ Jesus was established before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4). If no more people were left, no Jesus to come. That means everyone is without a Redeemer, so all humanity dies in its sins. 4. Romans 8:28-30 tells us we were all foreknown, so God planned on us being here. 3. More evidence that Noah is not included in "all flesh" is found later in Chapter 6, when God tells him he has decided to end "all flesh," and then instructs him to build the ark. Evidently Noah was not part of the plan. God intended on wiping out the human race except for Noah's family. Thanks for your input! --Joe! |
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1815 | Noah and his family | 1 Pet 3:20 | Reformer Joe | 6273 | ||
An interesteing side note on this: In my missionary position, I will train teenagers this summer to use evangelistic materials aimed at children to put on backyard Bible clubs. The problematic part is that one of the days has to do with Noah, and the materials add to Scripture by suggesting that God wanted to save everyone. Noah "must have" tried to convince people to get on the ark with them, but they just wouldn't listen and be saved like God so desperately "wanted"! Needless to say, that error will be addressed during the training sessions...good thing these materials are developed by another Christian organization and not mine! --Joe! |
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1816 | We may be missing something here | 1 Pet 3:20 | Reformer Joe | 6470 | ||
Indeed, let's get the whole meaning. I don't see the connection you are trying to make between 1 Peter 3 and 2 Peter 3, so please elaborate how you think the passage is relevant. And the question is, who is the "all" referred to in 2 Peter 3:9? The fact that God is patient not toward unbelievers, but believers (the "you" in 3:9 refers to the believers reading this passage -- v. 1:1) indicates that God is not waiting for "ALL" to be saved (which will take forever if that is what God is truly waiting for), but rather for those who are elected to eternal life throughout human history to born again. That includes people who have not been born a first time. Fact is that this verse isn't inconsistent with an election viewpoint, where many, MANY lengthy passages (Ephesians 1:1 - 2:10; Romans 9:15 ff.; 1 Peter 1:1-2; John 6:35-65 and so on) directly eliminate alternate views. --Joe! |
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1817 | What about the thief on the cross? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Reformer Joe | 20530 | ||
Nonsense. One plan of salvation from Genesis to Revelation. Abraham was justified the same way that we are. --Joe! |
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1818 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Reformer Joe | 75601 | ||
"Baptism saves you because it is the point at which God sees your faith and your desire in faith to be cleansed." I am confused by your answer. Does God need to SEE our faith for Him to know it is there? "Faith without works is dead." Amen. However, the faith which saves exists before a single faithful work is done. Did Abraham's faith exist before he offered Isaac up? His obedience did not create the faith that saved him. His faith that saved him resulted in the obedience that served as evidence of that faith. --Joe! |
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1819 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Reformer Joe | 78408 | ||
''"Did Abraham's faith exist before he offered Isaac up?" Obviously it did, he left his homeland when God told him to.' Good. We are in agreement there. Now, did Abraham's faith exist before or after he left his homeland at God's command? In other words, did Abraham believe God before he actually did ANYTHING God told him to do? --Joe! |
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1820 | How did baptism heal naaman of leprosy? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Reformer Joe | 78411 | ||
You wrote: "Is infant baptism effectual when the child has no faith?" Are "household baptisms" effectual when only the head of household has professed faith? --Joe! |
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