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5021 | Only 144,000 virgins in heaven? | Revelation | EdB | 10696 | ||
Unless Jehovah Witnesses have changed their teachings (again) that is exactly what they taught. Only the 144,000 that was in the church in 1874 were going to heaven the rest were going to stay here on a perfect earth and they are called 'Jonadabs'. They also beleived Jesus returned and has been reigning since 1914. | ||||||
5022 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10693 | ||
Obviously I haven't read this book, I probably won't but I'm willing to listen. What do you expect me to read in this book that I haven’t read in all the others? You say your not a cessationist then what are you? How do you think tongues and other gifts are to operate today? | ||||||
5023 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10692 | ||
Okay how are they practiced today that makes them all wrong? | ||||||
5024 | LUCK - Satanic or Divine | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 10691 | ||
I disagree to a Christian nothing happens by chance. That is God’s promise. Many factors come into play in everything that happens but chance is not one of them for a Christians steps are ordered of the Lord. You used the example of you and your neighbor having cars and yours breakdowns more and you ask what does that show. It shows you have a Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily):-) ! Forgive me I just couldn’t pass the chance for some humor. Seriously what does that mean, maybe you didn’t take as good of care, or perform as much maintenance as your neighbor. You may have been slothful, or God wanted you to share Jesus with the mechanic, or auto parts person, or you hadn’t been paying your tithes, or you need a lesson in humility, patience. If I thought for a moment that God wasn’t in control of this world and the things that happen in it, then I won’t think God was Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient and Sovereign. In fact I would think things were out of control and the humanism might be right. But I know God is in control and all those things are true and the humanism is a lie from the pit of hell. |
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5025 | Tell me who unties them? | Matt 18:18 | EdB | 10688 | ||
Appleseed Pleading the blood of Jesus is an old church term for contenting yourself in Jesus’ care and protection. Nothing takes place that hasn’t already been done, but you find peace as you remind yourself greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. I’m sorry I really should stop using these old church terms since many new comers are probably looking through their Bible for them and they ain’t there. Forgive my terminology Ed |
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5026 | LUCK - Satanic or Divine | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 10649 | ||
If you have a question ask away I'm sure someone will have answer for it. Be blessed and be a blessing Ed |
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5027 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10642 | ||
He had nothing to answer? Maybe that man was wiser than I and realized the futility of trying to reason with a person that is vehemently against that which we attempt to reason. Friend I have studied this subject forward and backwards for over 20 years, I willing to say I have read over 50 books both pro and con on this subject. I have studied the responses of Benjamin Warfield, through John MacArthur on the cessation side and have studied the teachings of Charles Parham to Jack Hayford on the gifts are for today side. I have studied the aspects of the heresy of Montanaism. Having heard the points you raise debated many times by many men. I have at one time or another debated this issue from both sides. Through all of this I stand more convinced than ever tongues are for today. Let us stop this endless debate I suspect we can debate this until the cows come home (a phrase from my past that I saw just today after all these years) and never move the other from his position. I guarantee one thing we will both know the answer one day soon! Be blessed and be a blessing Ed |
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5028 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10632 | ||
Again you confuse the two forms of tongues the prayer language which Paul is not talking about here and the Gift of Tongues he is. The gift of tongues or open display of tongues is to edify the church and requires interpretation. The use of tongues in a prayer language is private and to be don't in our closet as it were. | ||||||
5029 | No speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit? | Acts 2:4 | EdB | 10631 | ||
Absolutely the Holy Spirit puts a burden on you and you have no idea in the world what it is other than you need to pray right now. However a few times later I have had family, friends, or someone tell me about a serious situation they found themselves and how God miraculously delivered them, which occurred at exactly the moment I was impressed to pray. | ||||||
5030 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | EdB | 10584 | ||
Richlou You said you offered a challenge and then never said how the Pastor answered it. I will attempt if you permit. Your point 1. The word tongue in greek is "glossa" which mean "the organ we have in the mouth or a language (real human language) and not a chalaman-di-asirlsljdf dede. You know what I mean... My response Yes I do know what you mean and your right but this does not rule out heavenly language does it? It just says it must be a language not gibberish. Your point 2. Look thoroughly in 1 Cor. 12.13. It says that all christians have been baptized in the Spirit. Therefore, all christians has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit according to the text. My response Again this is absolutely right and as I have said in the past when we get saved we get all of the Holy Spirit we are going to get. There is nothing more to get. Your point 3. Lastly, I just ask you to look down the same chapter and see the rethorical question Paul asked when he said: "do all speak with tongues?". The natural answer is "NO". Now the question is, is it biblical to say that speaking in tongue is THE initial sign that a person has been baptized by the Holy Spirit? Once again, the answer is "NO", since Paul said "NO". Yet, concerning the fact that we have been "ALL" baptized by the Holy Spirit is a big yes for all christians and Paul backed it up in his argument against the Corinthian church that was, in passing very in trouble in their understanding of the gifts of the Spirit and above all that one. My response Paul is talking about the gift of tongues not the prayer language that comes when you yield your will to the Holy Spirit. Not everyone gets the gift of tongues to speak out in church but all do get a prayer language should they so desire, seek after and yield to the Holy Spirit. Again this does not make you have more the Holy Spirit nor does it make you more saved. It simply is your will being yielded to the Holy Spirit. Through out the book of Acts we see people as they yield to Holy Spirit begin to speak in tongues, this occur time and time again. Paul talks about speaking in tongues of men and of angels. He talks about speaking in tongues more than the others. He even gave directions in Corinthians on how it is to be done. By the way the danger of a rhetorical question is it can go either way depending on which side of the question you stand. You say the natural answer is no, from where I stand the natural answer is yes. Just having a little fun :-) Again I appreciate your academia credentials understand men with Doctorates stand on either side of this discussion. Your points are well taken but they are not conclusive. Be blessed and be a blessing Ed |
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5031 | reference to spilling seed on ground | Gen 38:9 | EdB | 10528 | ||
I had a Catholic friend that always said this as a argument against masturbation. It is not in the Bible so I suspect it is either in the Catholic Apocrypha or is part of church teaching. I have searched the apocrypha in the RSV without finding it so it must be only in the Catholic form if it there at all. | ||||||
5032 | No speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit? | Acts 2:4 | EdB | 10526 | ||
Absolutely Steve this is one of the most abused areas of the Bible. Man has taken something God meant for worship and service and turned it into a parlor show. I think many will have much to explain because of this. In my years I have seen the gifts abused and misused in just about every way I can imagine. Flesh has been allowed to run rampant. At some of these big name revivals there is more flesh than anything else. I know one revival that is filled with the Spirit of Carnality and I can’t believe God or the Holy Spirit are even present, yet there are these supposedly wondrous manifestations of the Holy Spirit. I have a word for that, “Baloney”! Before anyone asks no I won’t name the revival. Ask God he will show you. | ||||||
5033 | No speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit? | Acts 2:4 | EdB | 10522 | ||
Steve as a side bar to this. I have been in Pentecost for a long time and I believe I have witnessed only a hand full of authentic moves of the Spirit. I have seen many demonstrations of the flesh. Once a friend of mind was preaching a service and at the close gave an altar call. A sweet woman came forward and gave her heart to the Lord. My friend prayed with her and then closed the service. He went back to her and started to talk and she drew back in bewilderment. He keep asking what was wrong. The women started to cry finally another women came up and explained, this woman only spoke Spanish. Through the interpreter we learned that she thought my friend spoke Spanish also since that is what she heard him preach and pray in. Another case Jack Hayford tells in one of his books about how he was on a plane and the Holy spirit told him to speak to the man next to him in tongues. Jack kind of argued with the Holy Spirit making the point that this wasn’t the time nor the place. Nonetheless the Holy Spirit insisted. Jack turned to the fellow passenger and said the Holy Spirit has instructed me to speak to you in tongues, then he preceded to give the message. The man listened and when Jack was finished he asked if the man understood. The man told him he had spoken to him in a Cherokee dialect and that he was taught this by his grandmother. He told Jack that he had talked about the Son. This gave Jack a chance to witness to this man which he did for the rest of the flight. |
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5034 | No speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit? | Acts 2:4 | EdB | 10519 | ||
Steve angels do not usually speak to men and when they do, I don’t know if they speak in an unknown language or not but I do know the men understand. For us to speak in an unknown language your right would be fruitless and here is one of the abuses of tongues in the church today people speaking in tongues without interpretation. If it is authentic it will not happen. For me to pray in the my prayer closet in unknown tongues is nothing more than me allowing the Holy Spirit to pray though me. Even then I should have an general understanding of the prayer. By that I mean we don’t just go into the our prayer closet put our minds in neutral and allow gibberish to come from our mouths. We should be praying in tongues with reasoning. Why God chooses to use tongues in prayer closet situations is debated, some say it is to confuse Satan, I don’t buy that. I think sometimes we are praying about a situation and just don’t know how to pray and Holy Spirit intervenes and prays through us in unknown tongues so we don’t know all the details of what is going to take place. I do not believe we should pray for anybody in tongues unless we are willing to provide an interpretation of what we said. We see this a lot with TV evangelist praying for people. When we pray for people it should be with their understanding so they can say amen as instructed by Paul. Do not discount the gifts of the Spirit because of the abuses and misuses. Search the scripture and you will see it real and for today. |
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5035 | No speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit? | Acts 2:4 | EdB | 10518 | ||
Again we have confusion. The term baptism in the Holy Spirit and Filled with the Holy Spirit are synonymous terms in that you get all of the Holy Spirit at salvation that there is to get. There is nothing more to get, God does not give pieces of the Holy Spirit nor does God withhold gifts, He gives them freely to all that believe. When the Pentecostals (of which I are one) talk about the infilling of the Holy Spirit they are using bad terminology. What they call infilling is nothing more than yielding our will to the will of the Holy Spirit. Allowing the Holy Spirit to minister through us, to yielding your will. In Acts the Apsotles used this yieldedness as a sign of true conversion since they occurred together. I believe the reason they occurred together was the mindset of the people in that they were far more spiritually minded than we today. Why God choose tongues to me is logical, what is the hardest thing for man to control? His tongue. So if we can yield our tongue to the Holy sprit how much more the rest of our body for God’s service? Notice Acts 1:8 says the Holy Spirit will be given so we have power to witness. This is the problem I have with Pentecostals many if not most are never witnessing. They claim the power but never use it. |
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5036 | No speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit? | Acts 2:4 | EdB | 10516 | ||
Steve you made a statement here that these were known tongues. In Acts2:4 we don't know what happened. I suspect everyone praised the Lord and by the Power of the Holy Spirit each man heard their utterances in his own tongue, rather than everyone speaking in a different language and no one being able to hear what was being said in the confusion. In Cor. 12:10 we don’t know exactly what Paul was talking about but there is no reason to believe he was limiting his discussion to just tongues of men. The word for tongues he used here is “glossa” it is the same word he used in 1 Cor. 13:1 where he definitely was talking about tongues of Angels (or unknown tongues) and tongues of men. Notice no where in the Paul’s discussion of Tongues does he use the word “ecstatic speech” which would be gibberish as many teach. He always uses the word glossa in the original which means a known tongue but opens that up with tongues of men and of angels. Thus some tongues will be understandable by someone here on earth, in other cases the tongues will not be naturally be understood by anyone here on earth and therefore would need an interpreter. There are many abuses of the gifts today. Many if not most churches use the gifts for entertainment of saints rather than ministry to unbelievers. Many believers use tongues and the other spiritual gifts not to convince unbelievers but to fortify their own faith. They need to see the manifestations to continue in their faith and this is dead wrong. Also many churches put undue importance on the spiritual gifts, they would rather have a message in tongues than see a person saved. And this is also dead wrong. I believe the gifts of the spirit are for today but they are not for in the church but rather in the market place where unbelievers can be lead to the Lord. People say there are unbelievers in the church and your right but they are unbelievers not because they do not know God but because they refuse to crucify the their flesh. |
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5037 | No speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit? | Acts 2:4 | EdB | 10495 | ||
Yes your right the case is neuter, however it is talking about the end of the church age. When does the church age end? When Jesus returns. That is why I and others said when Jesus returns. It makes sense, the gifts started the church and the gifts should cease at the end. You also said the sign gifts are no longer needed. Aren't there still unbeliever to be convinced? Of course there is. Therefore the sign gifts are still needed. |
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5038 | What are Calvins and Arminians? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 10492 | ||
Norrie By definition you are a Arminianist whether you know it our not or if you want to to be or not. How ever you formed your belief system it came into conformity with Arminianism. |
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5039 | "The Disciple's Prayer"? | Luke 11:2 | EdB | 10489 | ||
I will never forget my surprise when I heard a young lady (late twenties) refer to pastor as “dude”. I thought to myself where is the respect? However about a month later I heard her pray and then I knew. Her prayer started “Hey Dude” There was no respect. To me that is just a little to familiar. As to your statement of Holiness and the Catholic church. If Protestants could just have half the appreciation for Holiness that I see in the Catholic church I would be ecstatic. For years we have been fighting a battle to keep people from going behind the altar area in our church, especially kids. Most ignore all requests to stay out and to keep their children out and walk back there with seeming impunity. Our reason is the costly sound equipment and to some degree a lesson in holiness. One day a Catholic man came to the church to look at something. He noticed the 3D painting of an open window looking out into the heavens with a cross and dove in the center. He rushed to view the mural until he got the altar rail and stopped instantly. He then turned to the Pastor and asked permission to continue back to get a closer look. See he respected the sanctity of the area from his training. Something no one has been able to get into the heads of the people that attend there. Once when I was in a catholic bookstore nosing around, I notice one aisle marked “No Kids”. I assume it was where they kept their delicate things. Later I realized it was where they kept the communion vessels and other things that go on the altar. I heard the store owner warn a parent not to allow her child around the holy things. I then went to a Protestant Bookstore and notice two young girls playing with the communion trays as their mothers shopped elsewhere in the store. What a difference the Catholics wouldn’t even allow for the chance for that to happen and the Protestants didn’t seem to even notice. |
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5040 | "The Disciple's Prayer"? | Luke 11:2 | EdB | 10414 | ||
Hank your right on this but I will say there has been many times I have fallen back to the Apostles creed to articulate what it was I believed. And unfortunately this is what is missing in many churches today. We are failing to give our young people even a rudimentry foundation of Christian doctrine. Educator today argue against rote memorization, but say what you will I can still do 9x9 in my head, and can name the states of the United States. Some things we have to memorize so we can draw upon it when we need it. The early church fathers understood this. That is why they developed Hymns to help the people learn the scripture by memorization. It wasn't for entertainment, or to set upon your emotions, but rather to help you learn Christian doctrine. Farmers would sing the hymns to themselves as they walked behind the plows. |
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