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NASB | Mark 9:24 Immediately the boy's father cried out and said, "I do believe; help my unbelief." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Mark 9:24 Immediately the father of the boy cried out [with a desperate, piercing cry], saying, "I do believe; help [me overcome] my unbelief." |
Subject: Holy Spirit baptism and tongues |
Bible Note: Richlou You said you offered a challenge and then never said how the Pastor answered it. I will attempt if you permit. Your point 1. The word tongue in greek is "glossa" which mean "the organ we have in the mouth or a language (real human language) and not a chalaman-di-asirlsljdf dede. You know what I mean... My response Yes I do know what you mean and your right but this does not rule out heavenly language does it? It just says it must be a language not gibberish. Your point 2. Look thoroughly in 1 Cor. 12.13. It says that all christians have been baptized in the Spirit. Therefore, all christians has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit according to the text. My response Again this is absolutely right and as I have said in the past when we get saved we get all of the Holy Spirit we are going to get. There is nothing more to get. Your point 3. Lastly, I just ask you to look down the same chapter and see the rethorical question Paul asked when he said: "do all speak with tongues?". The natural answer is "NO". Now the question is, is it biblical to say that speaking in tongue is THE initial sign that a person has been baptized by the Holy Spirit? Once again, the answer is "NO", since Paul said "NO". Yet, concerning the fact that we have been "ALL" baptized by the Holy Spirit is a big yes for all christians and Paul backed it up in his argument against the Corinthian church that was, in passing very in trouble in their understanding of the gifts of the Spirit and above all that one. My response Paul is talking about the gift of tongues not the prayer language that comes when you yield your will to the Holy Spirit. Not everyone gets the gift of tongues to speak out in church but all do get a prayer language should they so desire, seek after and yield to the Holy Spirit. Again this does not make you have more the Holy Spirit nor does it make you more saved. It simply is your will being yielded to the Holy Spirit. Through out the book of Acts we see people as they yield to Holy Spirit begin to speak in tongues, this occur time and time again. Paul talks about speaking in tongues of men and of angels. He talks about speaking in tongues more than the others. He even gave directions in Corinthians on how it is to be done. By the way the danger of a rhetorical question is it can go either way depending on which side of the question you stand. You say the natural answer is no, from where I stand the natural answer is yes. Just having a little fun :-) Again I appreciate your academia credentials understand men with Doctorates stand on either side of this discussion. Your points are well taken but they are not conclusive. Be blessed and be a blessing Ed |