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NASB | Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire. |
Subject: belief in hell? |
Bible Note: Hi, Maus... You are the one posting on the forum, under the responsibilities and presuppositions as specified by our gracious host. Wikipedia is not. The onus of responsibility is on you to substantiate your assertions. Granting the benefit of the doubt might yield something instructive to us all. As our Lord stated on one occasion, "Wisdom is vindicated by all her children" (Luke 7:35). Your responses have not lent credence to what you have stated so far. Furthermore you offered to discuss a single subject at once (post #240074), which thing I had supposed to be a sincere offer. Since the Socratic approach failed... allow me to explain... The NASB translation is based on a doctrine called sola Scriptura. The forum itself is rooted in the support of that presupposition. Indeed, as Christians, we live by every word of God (Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4) -- not on some of them or the ones we like or even just the ones we understand. All Scripture is God breathed and all of it is necessary (2 Timothy 3:16-17) -- not some of it or the parts we like or even just the ones we understand. God spoke and we are required to listen to Him (Hebrews 1:1-2) -- not just to some of what He says or the parts we like or even just the parts we understand. Suppression of the truth is a very dangerous thing (Romans 1:18). Outside of God's self-revelation, we would only vaguely know Him (Romans 1:19). God Himself has revealed His righteousness to us (Exodus 9:27; Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalm 119:137; Isaiah 45:21; Jeremiah 12:1; Micah 7:9; Romans 7:12), His Holiness (Leviticus 19:2; Psalm 22:3; Isaiah 6:3 Ezekiel 36:21-23; Habakkuk 2:20; Revelation 4:8; 15:3-4), His justice (Exodus 23:7; Matthew 5:20; 25:31-46; Luke 19:22; Revelation 20:11-15). The doctrine receives more attention by our Savior than does the doctrine of heaven -- I will leave you to search that out for yourself. So if God Himself has taught us of these things, do you actually come to us to tell us they are unimportant? I doubt your "experts" represent Christendom. The doctrine of hell (as a place of eternal damnation) is averred by Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestantism. Indeed, relative to Protestantism the doctrine is explicitly affirmed in such documents as the Three forms of Unity, the Book of Concord, the Westminster Standards, the Savoy Declaration, etc. etc. Some of our non-confessional friends have even expressed it here. As to Plato... One of my theology professors used to say, "Even a blind hog can stumble upon an acorn from time to time." Have you taken the time to read the Terms of Use -- the ones you agreed to when you joined the forum? You should understand that every time you post you are explicitly affirming your agreement with those terms. Consequently, when one posts things contrary to those terms, one's persuasiveness drops precipitously. We are necessarily an eccumenical community; but there are doctrinal prerequisites in the Terms of Use. Son, you may be able to contribute to our forum in a positive way, despite a rocky start. Reading the Terms of Use, then walking them out on this forum, will give the best evidence of good intentions. In Him, Doc |