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NASB | Revelation 17:2 with whom the kings of the earth committed acts of immorality, and those who dwell on the earth were made drunk with the wine of her immorality." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Revelation 17:2 she with whom the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality, and the inhabitants of the earth have become intoxicated with the wine of her immorality." [Jer 25:15, 16] |
Subject: Define wine, please? |
Bible Note: Dear Lionheart, I have been reading Colossians now for a few days and am wondering if you took my reply the first time to read when I said OK to mean I was offended, or being short with you. That was not the intent, I was trying to let it go Lionheart, not be short tempered. 1)keep seeking that which is above. still doing this. 2)put aside all anger, malice, wrath, abusive speech, slander. was never angry just disapointed and dismayed and did not use abusive speech nor slander anyone. 3)put on compassion, kindess, humility, gentleness, patience, bearing with one another, forgive one another. I did stumble a bit there, but examined myself and tried to the best of my ability to come around to the right veiw of things with all of your help. Why am I seen as not having come around yet? Open to further instruction from you on this... 4)whatever you do, do your work heartily giving thanks to God, fearing the Lord. this is why I am here and continue to participate. Is there somethig you see that I am doing that I need to be corrected about? I am open, feel free to be specific please... I sent something to John as he felt it necessary to enlighten me for the second or third time about what he calls speculation. I replied that all areas of Bible study are ultimatel about Christ and the final message of the Bible. I am interested in all the various facets of how that message progressed, the players and the stage, the authors intent, their audiences, how they differently treat the same subject, as well as every thing that the Bible has to say about all of its aspects and information. There is no part of what the Bible says about anything that is not profitable to study. You said yourself that II Timothy 2:15 was a very important point.It takes every aspect of exegesis to do that, the critical forms; redaction, literary, textual, grammatical and others are all part of the process. Not everything is self explanatory without using the different parts to arrive at a clear picture of seemingly differing accounts, use of words, or scriptures. If we have moved beyond the elementary things then the central message qualifies as an elementay thing as is laying on of hands and some very complicated areas of theological study that Hebrews mentions in that scripture. Some of the things mentioned there are being milk are pretty deep. I think according to the qualifications, we are all somewhere in between milk and meat. We see washings laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, repentance of dead works, eternal judgments. Two of those things are not simple doctrines or teachings. After receiving some messages that something should be dropped, to one of which I replied, I can see that you are not interested in a rebuttal, which is a straight forward observation and not an attack, or an insult or slander, others have chosen to discuss the original matter some more and do not agree with that view, that it should be dropped. I think as I tried to point out to John that there is room for diversity in the body of Christ and that people view things from their own theological lens. I don't think subject matter itself, as long as it is about something in the Bible, is necessarily frivolous material. And I don't think that we should all just be requried to view an aspect of studying a subject according the the rules of exegesis as speculation. There are others here who would agree on this. I am more than willing to stop exploring a matter with someone who does not see the point, that does not mean there is no point, just that there is not one to them. I think it is fair to say that my shorter replies left you all wondering if I was harboring ill will, I was only trying to drop it, not insult. Forgive me won't you? God Bless, the hat lady |