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NASB | Hebrews 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Hebrews 6:4 For [it is impossible to restore to repentance] those who have once been enlightened [spiritually] and who have tasted and consciously experienced the heavenly gift and have shared in the Holy Spirit, |
Subject: Is this person saved? |
Bible Note: Dear JVH0212, Friend you are correct! Again we face one of the difficulties of trying to make a point while participating in a public internet forum. I well know your stance in this issue, and was not trying to make you, personally, into a judgmental person. I am really sorry it came off that way. Truly, my brother, and all my colleagues of the forum, I was only trying to clarify the difference between God's perfect point of view and our imperfect point of view. My two examples were merely meant to show that men can be very judgmental, foolish, and-or naive. Many men do set themselves in the 'plane of God' concerning salvation and forgiveness, not just in theory, but in practice, too. (NOT you, JVH0212! I have never heard you do this.) Indeed, 'fall away' from God, and 'return to' God (repent), are only 'knowable' by God. As Steve so ably pointed out, submission to God can be faked or insincere. So also with repentance. In the same way, our idea of 'falling away' could be very different from God's idea! 'Returning to the bars' or a sinful stumble in your walk with God (or a not-very-prudent posting to a forum :-) may be forgiven by God but inexcusable by man. As a minister and counselor, I must discern (not judge) many things. My last comment, and indeed the whole posting, was directed to the entire audience of this forum. My profound apologies for not making that clear. Amen! Peace to you, as well. In Christ Jesus, charis |