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NASB | Hebrews 5:8 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Hebrews 5:8 Although He was a Son [who had never been disobedient to the Father], He learned [active, special] obedience through what He suffered. |
Subject: Is His word making progress in you? 8:37 |
Bible Note: Hi Steve, Thanks for your reply. Thanks also for typing out the verses for us. Let me type in the KJ also so that I can talk more about the comparisons that I saw and that you also probably saw. John 8:38, "I speak tht which I have seen with my father: and you do that which ye have seen with your father." Here, because they do not capitalize pronouns of Deity the word Father is not capitalized. However, we know that Jesus was not talking about Joseph but rather the heavenly Father. Now, we can suppose that the Jews thought that Jesus was talking about His earthly father, so they bragged that their father was Abraham. John 8:27 says, "They did not realize that He had been speaking to them about the Father." In other words, Jesus previously had said that the Father had sent Him, He was speaking the words of God, He was not of this world, and He was God speaking of Spiritual things. Verse 28, "...but I speak these things as the Father taught Me." God taught the Son. Verse 38, "I speak these things which I have seen with [Or, in the presence of] My Father." The phrase of comparison that I saw is "you also do" in verse 38. They were doing the things of their father the devil. Jesus was claiming to be a Man who was telling them the truth because He was the Truth. He told them that if God was their Father they would love Him. John 8:34, KJ, "Jesus answered them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house forever: but the Son [sic] abideth forever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." The Jews who had believed Him, who abided in His word, were truly His disciples and Jesus said, "You shall become free." John 8:30-33. But these unbelieving Jews were of their father the devil, who was the father of lies. Jesus claimed to be God and they did not believe Him. John 8:46, "Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? He [he] who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God." They they continued to "do the things" of their father the devil by lying and saying, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?" John 13:15 has the phrase of comparison and contrast "you also should do". This passage teaches that "the leaders need to be servant hearted" as you have written. It also teaches that the Leader, even Christ, their Teacher, washed their feet, and said "you also ought"... John 13:14, "If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you." The unbelieving Jews who were slaves to sin tried to make themselves above Jesus. They said that they were of Abraham, but Jesus said that He was from God. But even though Jesus came from God He came as a Servant, as one who serves. Hebrews 5:8, "Although He was a Son, (He) learned obedience from the things which He suffered." John 13:16, "Truly, truly, (I) say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them." From the heart, Ray |